Whats with all the Springfield bashing

[CS Foltz]

fsu813......"Lists of negative businesses" is not good for the overall atmosphere in your area.......I would allmost bet that list is not very long and it does matter how times code enforcement is called since they don't work directly for SPAR and have other things to do besides making visits to your part of the world. I would also like to point out that my tax dollars pay for "Code Enforcement" and if they are making lots of visits to your world then maybe the City needs to consider charging SPAR for showing up so many times beyond a normal visitation cycle! Code Enforcement has shown up in my world once in the 12 years that I have lived here so if they are making multiple visits to Springfield.........I would have to ask, how many times in a year does Code Enforcement show up in Springfield?

[fsu813]

1. yes it is. crappy business owners do more harm to revitalization & preservation than good.

3. your entire answer was a dodge. since you didn't address it, i assume you agree that unless there is a legit issue, code enforcement needn't be worried about by businesses.

you skipped 2 & 4.

[CS Foltz]

You have so many "Crappy Business's" that you need to make a list? Springfield is not that big there big guy! You skipped regarding number of times that Code has shown up? I said once in 12 years at my end and that person was new to the neighborhood and did not know how to go about contacting the HOA Board! So I will ask one more time.........how many times have Code shown up in the past year?

[fsu813]

ok.

- actually, yes. i can think of 5 off hand. but you're right. an actual list isn't needed. they should just be memorized. no writing on paper allowed. this will save trees and improve memory function at the same time. a win-win.

- dude. it could be 100000 or 1. who cares. the topic isn't tax payers money. apparently they have the time. the topic is (or at least it was, not sure where your train of thought is going) that calling code enforcement is not anything unfair, underhanded, or problematic. if no issues are found, fine. if there are, then fine - correct them.

[strider]

CS Foltz, don't you know that Code Enforcement works exclusively at the whim of Louise and Company (which includes those like minded people like FSU813) to control the businesses and people they do not like.  When Code Enforcement goes out and finds the complaint was unfounded, they just keep sending Code Enforcement back until they see it Louise and Company's way. When businesses and places are actually legal, it can take many, many visits before Code Enforcement finally just starts making stuff up. This is the ultimate goal of Louise and Company and why those lists are so important to them.

See, FSU813 is right and it makes no difference how many times Code Enforcement visits a place, it only matters whether what they find during a visit agrees with Louise and Company's opinion.

I do agreed that SPAR Council should have to pay the city for using Code Enforcement as their person goon squad and for turning the whole enforcement idea into such a joke.

[fsu813]

So now SPAR, LISC, and COJ Code Enforcement are all in it together, huh?

They have all joined forces to conspire against you. An unholy trinity of sorts.



Wow. Grab the popcorn. This is conspiracy is becoming "National Treasure / The Davinci Code"-esque.

[strider]

While my post was partly "tongue in cheek", I can tell you from personal experience and prove in writing that this is truly a tactic of SPAR Council. Keep sending Code Enforcement out until the result is what SPAR Council wants it to be.

But in fairness to the people who work code enforcement, most are hard working and fair minded individuals.  I do currently have an issue with a boss or two and while I do believe that these few and someone in zoning is currently making up things as they go, the actual inspectors we have dealt with have been very reasonable and fair. So I apologize for any implication of wrong doing  I made towards them.

No apology is made nor implied towards SPAR Council, however 

[fsu813]

And Zoning too?

So the heavies at SPAR, LISC, Code Enforcement, & Zoning are all out to do you in for no good reason, with corrupt and dishonest practices.

I smell movie-of-the-week possibilities here.

Someone alert the media! Oh wait, you already have.

[strider]

You could, of course, refer to the thread in Urban Issues about Code Enforcement re-interpreting the codes to disallow unrelated people from living together and if all of the information had been released that we have from code enforcement, you would see that they do seem to be making things up as the go. As that issue is heading to Special Masters, I'm sure more and more information will be released as code enforcement has to start putting more and more of what they are saying into written form.

Meanwhile, you seem to be having fun with all this, so please continue to elaborate on my conspiracy theories.  You are somewhat entertaining.  And a movie of the week would be good for Springfield.

[fsu813]

Well, it is fun to see just how many corrupt, dishonest people you implicate in this situation.

2 non-profits & 2 city departments. i'm sure that's just for starters.

and to see how you explain that if the forces of evil get thier way, it will shake the fabric of our society as we know it.

[ChriswUfGator]

Well, speaking from direct personal experience (which is fully documented) COJ Code Enforcement has zero problem whatsoever with just making random shit up whenever they feel like it. There's no tinfoil hat involved there, it's common practice with them.

Also, the 'conspiracy theory' line is just getting old. So much of this stuff has been documented time and time again, not only by victims of this routine, but also by SPAR's own actions, attempted influence on legislation, and written communications to city officials, that there really can be no question anymore that things just aren't right.

Yet you and a handful of others are never going to agree with, or even acknowledge, the situation, regardless of whatever happens. I certainly wouldn't have chosen these exact words myself, but Stephen pretty much pegged it;

This woman could personally choke a nine year old to death and eat its entrails in public and you people would still claim she was somehow being 'misrepresented'--by the nine year old.

Situations where the same small group of people gets caught red-handed waging hidden campaigns against its own neighbors and fellow property owners, trying to derail the opening of new businesses that would bring jobs and economic growth to the area, and abrogating its preservation mandate by complaining (and boy this one was a classic) about how they literally can't tear down historic houses fast enough, are popping up pretty much every week now. And don't get me started on the "innocent mistake" where a petition was "accidentally" substituted for a 'sign-in sheet,' coincidentally at a meeting about the exact topic covered in the petition.

And all of these things were witnessed by multiple different people with no iron in SPAR's fire, and a big chunk of it is contained in e-mails from the Executive Director of the organization herself. So what exactly would it take to convince you that this isn't all some conspiracy theory? (Purely rhetorical question, of course I already know the answer is that it's impossible).

I am starting to agree with you that the debate is pretty futile, neither side will ever convince the other. But some good has still come out of all this, as more information has now been made public, and this should help people make up their own minds.

[strider]

And besides, it isn't a conspiracy theorey if it is proved true. And, FSU813, when did it turn into two non-profits?  This seems to be your conspriracy more so than mine. Oh, and no illegal rooming houses were being advertised to use to house proton patients.  Even though you said at first there wasn't, it got proved otherwise. Who is using facts for their posts? You? Doesn't seem like it.

[CS Foltz]

fsu813........if the LISC is working with SPAR to upgrade their own covenents and regulations, that is a no-no! The only one who can up grade  is SPAR and only with members voting to change, current Florida law says 80% must vote "yes"...........this is one reason why I was inquiring as to the membership numbers. It is bad enough when the SPAR Board appoints to the board but when they bypass members, half of your problems have been brought on by the Board's actions! It is a good thing that I don't live there or I would be at every meeting and I would start by being very argumentative when the Board circumvents the regulations which gives the board their powers!

[CityLife]

fsu813........if the LISC is working with SPAR to upgrade their own covenents and regulations, that is a no-no! The only one who can up grade  is SPAR and only with members voting to change, current Florida law says 80% must vote "yes"...........this is one reason why I was inquiring as to the membership numbers. It is bad enough when the SPAR Board appoints to the board but when they bypass members, half of your problems have been brought on by the Board's actions! It is a good thing that I don't live there or I would be at every meeting and I would start by being very argumentative when the Board circumvents the regulations which gives the board their powers!

You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know whats going on.....

Trying to bring you up to date would be like trying to explain the plot of Donnie Darko to Forrest Gump.

Why do you even care about the board of a neighborhood group that you don't even live in and have absolutely no clue about?

[cindi]

The whole thing boils down to choices.  If you don't like SPAR for whatever reason, don't join.  If you think you are that much better and can do so much better and still don't want to join SPAR to make them better, start your own organization.  If you don't like Springfield, simple, again-don't move here.  Don't like the car wash and don't want one to come, go to the meeting and have your say, if it gets approved - don't take your car there.  Don't like the thrift store, don't shop there.  If you think you are being harassed by someone for whatever reason and want to sue - then really Nike said it best - just do it.  If you win, woohoo for you, if you don't - suck it up - that's life.
I think Springfield must be the best place in the whole world because it has more people that don't live here more concerned about the inner workings of it's bowel function than any other neighborhood in jacksonville.