Whats with all the Springfield bashing

[Johnny]

The whole thing boils down to choices.  If you don't like SPAR for whatever reason, don't join.  If you think you are that much better and can do so much better and still don't want to join SPAR to make them better, start your own organization.  If you don't like Springfield, simple, again-don't move here.  Don't like the car wash and don't want one to come, go to the meeting and have your say, if it gets approved - don't take your car there.  Don't like the thrift store, don't shop there.  If you think you are being harassed by someone for whatever reason and want to sue - then really Nike said it best - just do it.  If you win, woohoo for you, if you don't - suck it up - that's life.
I think Springfield must be the best place in the whole world because it has more people that don't live here more concerned about the inner workings of it's bowel function than any other neighborhood in jacksonville. 

cindi, this would be a good post to re-post in just about every thread/argument in the Springfield section. It's damn near perfect. Well done!

[cindi]

not sure how a car wash opening or not opening in sprinfield impacts on the peeps in queens harbor.  well, if john q public wants to know how springfield spent it's money, main street is looking pretty spiffy - drive on down and see first hand. 
as for the changing how zoning codes are interpretted and enforced for the entire city - are you implying that the, however many SPAR board members have managed to change how an entire city operates?

[ChriswUfGator]

Yes, Cindi.  A couple of board members have successfully convinced the head of Zoning that it might be worth it to get the City sued and risk the revocation of the Historic Overlay, just to get them off his back.

Don't forget that Springfield already has a US Supreme Court history on related subject, and last time they got 'loitering' laws struck down all the way across the country.

Oh Stephen, don't forget we're still without an open container statute for the same reason!

[ChriswUfGator]

The whole thing boils down to choices.  If you don't like SPAR for whatever reason, don't join.  If you think you are that much better and can do so much better and still don't want to join SPAR to make them better, start your own organization.  If you don't like Springfield, simple, again-don't move here.  Don't like the car wash and don't want one to come, go to the meeting and have your say, if it gets approved - don't take your car there.  Don't like the thrift store, don't shop there.  If you think you are being harassed by someone for whatever reason and want to sue - then really Nike said it best - just do it.  If you win, woohoo for you, if you don't - suck it up - that's life.
I think Springfield must be the best place in the whole world because it has more people that don't live here more concerned about the inner workings of it's bowel function than any other neighborhood in jacksonville.  

If their choices didn't affect other people, that would be fine. But unfortunately, that's not the case.

[cindi]

SPAR is responsible for the status of the open container statute?
As for the choices affecting other people - I someone makes a decision that directly impacts you that you don't like (generically speaking) - why just bitch, moan and whine about it.  do something bigger and better than they do, or live with it. don't like a law - work like the dickins to get it overturned, if you can't - learn to live with it. 

[ChriswUfGator]

SPAR is responsible for the status of the open container statute?
As for the choices affecting other people - I someone makes a decision that directly impacts you that you don't like (generically speaking) - why just bitch, moan and whine about it.  do something bigger and better than they do, or live with it. don't like a law - work like the dickins to get it overturned, if you can't - learn to live with it.  

No, COJ is the one who officially gets into all the hot water when this stuff goes down, which means you and I as taxpayers, along with everyone else here, are really footing the bill for all this stupid drama. But the City usually gets put up to it by overzealous people that overstep boundaries, leading to lawsuits, and many times worse results than if they'd just left things alone.

We lost our open container statute after a bunch of folks got together and complained to COJ to deal with all the bums in Hemming and Confederate Parks. So they started arresting them under an open container law that prohibited drinking in public places, as the sad truth is most of them are alcoholics which has a lot to do with their homeless condition in the first place. So it was pretty easy pickins'.

One of them actually took a stand and fought back, and it came out during the proceedings that the Mayor and other COJ officials regularly hosted parties and functions on City properties, including IIRC a Super Bowl party for like 1000 guests, and all of them had open bars. So the law was declared unconstutional, as violating the equal protection clause, by virtue of the blatantly selective enforcement. That's how this stuff goes down. And we're all paying for this nonsense...

[CS Foltz]

City Life...........let me set you straight there big fella.......Do you know where LISC, RAP and SPAR get their operating money from? Do they stand on an approved street corner taking up collections or depend on the generosity of their neighborhoods to keep their organizations going? Tax Dollars, big guy and whether they are Federal, State or COJ they come from the tax paying public......just like me.....oh, let me give credit where it is due..........you also! If you don't think I will have a say in where my dollars go, to who and for what purpose, you don't know me real well! You also don't want me living in Springfield because not only I am vocal, I am nasty enough you would mess with me and mine once and then you would leaving me alone! So I don't really care what you have to say about "Outsiders"...........last time I checked Springfield is part of the City of Jacksonville just like Link Side is.........and that does make it my business!

[cindi]

City Life...........let me set you straight there big fella.......Do you know where LISC, RAP and SPAR get their operating money from? Do they stand on an approved street corner taking up collections or depend on the generosity of their neighborhoods to keep their organizations going? Tax Dollars, big guy and whether they are Federal, State or COJ they come from the tax paying public......just like me.....oh, let me give credit where it is due..........you also! If you don't think I will have a say in where my dollars go, to who and for what purpose, you don't know me real well! You also don't want me living in Springfield because not only I am vocal, I am nasty enough you would mess with me and mine once and then you would leaving me alone! So I don't really care what you have to say about "Outsiders"...........last time I checked Springfield is part of the City of Jacksonville just like Link Side is.........and that does make it my business!

again that's fine, come to springfield see where all of your money went.  as an "outsider" you can even go to the meetings if it suites your fancy.  i am actually amused at the fact that 1 square mile of realestate can have so much concern from people that don't live here.  it really gives me a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that everyone is watching out for us and thank goodness because we don't have anyone in springfield that is loud or vocal, and as a whole, people that live in springfield are reall pushovers, very naive and goodness knows just last night i saw a bunch fall right off that turnip truck. thank you so very much for looking out for and being concerned about the huge operating expense of SPAR, are you this concerned about all the neighborhoods in springfield.  it must keep you very very busy.

[CS Foltz]

Gee...........I guess yu puts me in mah place dinja cindi! Weens I sees thut turnip truk cums thr my huud,I is gonna sends em yur way ok!

[cindi]

Gee...........I guess yu puts me in mah place dinja cindi! Weens I sees thut turnip truk cums thr my huud,I is gonna sends em yur way ok!

no problem.  i know how terribly busy you must be what with keeping track of who has poohed today in springfield.  after all it is your hood. again thank you so much for keeping track of everything that goes on in your city.  welcome.

[CS Foltz]

I could care less who poo's in Springfield, I care about how my tax dollars are spent! Not to worry I will be watching and listening and posting! Much thanks for confirmation, point to note..........it is your City also is it not?

[Dan B]

Uhm... What Tax dollars? To my knowledge the only public money SPAR has operated with dried up years ago, when the PSG grant went away, and every dime was accounted from annual audits.

[cindi]

I could care less who poo's in Springfield, I care about how my tax dollars are spent! Not to worry I will be watching and listening and posting! Much thanks for confirmation, point to note..........it is your City also is it not?

it is, however - as what happens in Baymeadows, or Queens Harbor or wherever Link is - not really a concern to me.  I am not a bean counter and keeping track of an HOA (which i am glad i do not have) and how they spend their mulch money doesn't interest me at all.

[CityLife]

City Life...........let me set you straight there big fella.......Do you know where LISC, RAP and SPAR get their operating money from? Do they stand on an approved street corner taking up collections or depend on the generosity of their neighborhoods to keep their organizations going? Tax Dollars, big guy and whether they are Federal, State or COJ they come from the tax paying public......just like me.....oh, let me give credit where it is due..........you also! If you don't think I will have a say in where my dollars go, to who and for what purpose, you don't know me real well! You also don't want me living in Springfield because not only I am vocal, I am nasty enough you would mess with me and mine once and then you would leaving me alone! So I don't really care what you have to say about "Outsiders"...........last time I checked Springfield is part of the City of Jacksonville just like Link Side is.........and that does make it my business!

What makes you think I'm a guy? 

Wait....You actually think that by irrationally posting on an internet message board that you are going to somehow influence where your tax dollars go? You're just a regular old internet Batman aren't you? Look out everyone CS Foltz is here to tell Mayor Peyton, Governor Crist, and President Obama where tax money should be allocated.

After all he was smart enough to buy a crappy condo in a dying community in Baymeadows in 2001 for $110,500. That wise investment is now appraised at $112,700. Sound decision there chief. Maybe you should be a little more concerned about your dying community and less about our blossoming one.....

[CS Foltz]

Gee I guess you guys took up a collection to get Main Street overhauled? Did SPAR pay for that? Did you? I did and so did you, tax dollars from Jacksonville paid to have that done did it not? You people got more money for your area (1 square mile according to cindi!) then my area ever has! But my area has not got squat! We have to pay to maintain a road that handles all 3,800 people in this area, we pay for light repairs and the electricity to power them....do you? So when your driving over my tax money think of me and all the other tax payers who larges paid for your road renovation!