Is it to soon to blame Mayor Curry & Mike Williams for the 13 different murders?

[Jumpinjack]

^ I agree. What about the issue and civil discourse?

[Adam White]

^ I agree. What about the issue and civil discourse?

Feel free to address the issue, then. There's no reason why you can't contribute...

[Gunnar]

I really don't care what yall say, I'm sticking to what I said. You are the one that hate your people Stephen; I don't hate any group, but I'm not gonna fall for that liberal bullshit that's a severe detriment to the black community. EVERYONE generally have strengths and weaknesses NOT just BLACK PEOPLE like yall wanna narrow it down to.

Individual people have their own strengths and weaknesses, yes. But to say entire groups have certain strengths or weaknesses - that's actually racist.

If knowing this makes me a liberal, then yeah - I guess I'm a liberal.

Actually - if you look at it in terms of sharing a common identity / background , then I would say that you certain values / beliefs / behaviors are more prevalent in different groups.

If you think about it, this starts by family and friends passing on their views and rewarding conformist behavior or punishing behavior that does not conform, this gets reinforced by school, friends, other institutions...

This is not based on race but rather on social groups.

[Adam White]

I really don't care what yall say, I'm sticking to what I said. You are the one that hate your people Stephen; I don't hate any group, but I'm not gonna fall for that liberal bullshit that's a severe detriment to the black community. EVERYONE generally have strengths and weaknesses NOT just BLACK PEOPLE like yall wanna narrow it down to.

Individual people have their own strengths and weaknesses, yes. But to say entire groups have certain strengths or weaknesses - that's actually racist.

If knowing this makes me a liberal, then yeah - I guess I'm a liberal.

Actually - if you look at it in terms of sharing a common identity / background , then I would say that you certain values / beliefs / behaviors are more prevalent in different groups.

If you think about it, this starts by family and friends passing on their views and rewarding conformist behavior or punishing behavior that does not conform, this gets reinforced by school, friends, other institutions...

This is not based on race but rather on social groups.

But surely there's a difference between sharing common identity/background (which is really shorthand - or longhand - for "culture") and making value judgments about the strengths or weaknesses of that culture.

[TheCat]

But surely there's a difference between sharing common identity/background (which is really shorthand - or longhand - for "culture") and making value judgments about the strengths or weaknesses of that culture.

+1

Especially, if the ones making the value judgements are i-1o...below is i-10s assessment of various people groups, which is simply nonsensical.

White international altruism?- Pretty damn high compared to other groups.
Indian (India) Doctors?-  Pretty damn high.
Black basketball players?- Very high compared to other groups.
Mexican crop pickers in USA? Very high.
Brazilian MMA fighters? Very well represented.
Samoan boxers? Known for having ability to take a punch (ironjaw).
American entertainment (multicultural)? 2nd to none.

[Adam White]

But surely there's a difference between sharing common identity/background (which is really shorthand - or longhand - for "culture") and making value judgments about the strengths or weaknesses of that culture.

+1

Especially, if the ones making the value judgements are i-1o...below is i-10s assessment of various people groups, which is simply nonsensical.

White international altruism?- Pretty damn high compared to other groups.
Indian (India) Doctors?-  Pretty damn high.
Black basketball players?- Very high compared to other groups.
Mexican crop pickers in USA? Very high.
Brazilian MMA fighters? Very well represented.
Samoan boxers? Known for having ability to take a punch (ironjaw).
American entertainment (multicultural)? 2nd to none.

I wasn't going to comment on this list, though a lot of it doesn't speak to "strengths or weaknesses" of different groups as much as it does occupation. But anyway:

1) White international altruism. Not sure what that means - but although wealthy people tend to give more money, it's also true that poor people give more money proportionally. Socio-economic status is a stronger indicator of charitable giving than race.

2) Indian doctors? One might be surprised to learn that the vast majority of Indians are not doctors.

3) Black basketball players. Yeah, there are indeed more black basketball players.

4) Mexican crop pickers in the USA? I honestly don't know the figures on this - though it's likely more a function of the low pay and the immigration status of the people doing the work and less linked to their actual national origin. Also, I bet a lot of the "Mexican" crop pickers are from other Spanish-speaking countries (e.g. central Americans).

5) Brazilian MMA fighters? I have no idea. But given the size of Brazil's population and the fact that the Gracie brothers are Brazilian, I am not surprised there are a lot of them. I doubt this means Brazilians, as a people, are naturally better at MMA.

6) Samoan boxers? Not sure about this at all. Other races have been far more successful at boxing. At least we're not talking about Irish bare-knuckle boxers here.

7)American entertainment (multicultural)? I really have no idea what this means. But American television is overwhelmingly white.

[AngryChicken]

Shit you want to see an uptick in murder look at Baltimore this year.  It's America's next Detroit.

Is it to soon to blame Mayor Curry & Mike Williams for the 13 different murders?

To be fair, Jacksonville isn't the only place where there's been an uptick in murders:

Several big U.S. cities see homicide rates surge

After years of declining violent crime, several major American cities experienced a dramatic surge in homicides during the first half of this year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/07/09/us-cities-homicide-surge-2015/29879091/

[I-10east]

^^^Baltimore is still very dangerous (it's like the 6th most violent major city on that list) so it being 'low on the violence scale' isn't accurate at all.

[I-10east]

I'm not gonna revisited that stuff I said earlier, and I'm sticking by it. I had to take a Labor Day weekend break just to clear my head from MetroShameville.com. I will not apologize for what I said. Many of y'all or putting some of the things that I said completely out of context.

[Adam White]

I'm not gonna revisited that stuff I said earlier, and I'm sticking by it. I had to take a Labor Day weekend break just to clear my head from MetroShameville.com. I will not apologize for what I said. Many of y'all or putting some of the things that I said completely out of context.

Fair enough. But if you ever injure yourself playing basketball, I hope you get an Indian doctor.

[I-10east]

^^^I admit, that was funny.

[Adam White]

^^^Baltimore is still very dangerous (it's like the 6th most violent major city on that list) so it being 'low on the violence scale' isn't accurate at all.

You can read, right?

Or perhaps when you say '6th', you mean '17th'?

Because that is what the clearly typed number next to Baltimore Md is.

He said "major city".  Baltimore is 18th on the list, but it's one of a handful of big cities on that list. A lot of those are suburbs, which is interesting. Like Camden and Chester are suburbs of Philly - which always gets a bad rap for crime but didn't make the top 20.

[mtraininjax]

Can't blame Williams, he's been on vacation :/ Williams has been nothing but a disappointment. Maybe Hackney will run.

Geez, the guy has been in office as Sheriff for 3 months, and its his fault already? You can't stop a ship on a dime, give the man some time to make a difference. If we have 13 murders again in Aug 2016, I'll be right there with you, but too soon to throw him and the new administration under the bus.