Is it to soon to blame Mayor Curry & Mike Williams for the 13 different murders?

[I-10east]

"Generally" is a cookie cutter - just a slightly smaller one. It's akin to saying, "There's a difference between a nigger and a black guy" or "Not all gay people are faggots".

More typical MJ shaming tactics; Not gonna work, try again next time...

[Adam White]

"Generally" is a cookie cutter - just a slightly smaller one. It's akin to saying, "There's a difference between a nigger and a black guy" or "Not all gay people are faggots".

More typical MJ shaming tactics; Not gonna work, try again next time...

I think it's really sad that you can't see how your statements are offensive and bigoted. You seem like a nice enough guy (seriously).

[I-10east]

^^^I didn't say anything 'offensive and bigoted'. I'm not gonna succumb to the typical shaming liberal bullshit. There isn't a damn thing offensive about saying different people generally (which is a very vague word) have strengths and weaknesses. So save your examples insinuating that I said offensive expletives; You can't put words into my mouth.   

[Adam White]

^^^I didn't say anything 'offensive and bigoted'. I'm not gonna succumb to the typical shaming liberal bullshit. There isn't a damn thing offensive about saying different people generally (which is a very vague word) have strengths and weaknesses. So save your examples insinuating that I said offensive expletives; You can't put words into my mouth.

Like I said, I think it's really sad you can't see it.

[I-10east]

I really don't care what yall say, I'm sticking to what I said. You are the one that hate your people Stephen; I don't hate any group, but I'm not gonna fall for that liberal bullshit that's a severe detriment to the black community. EVERYONE generally have strengths and weaknesses NOT just BLACK PEOPLE like yall wanna narrow it down to.

[I-10east]

^^^Idiotic.

[Adam White]

I really don't care what yall say, I'm sticking to what I said. You are the one that hate your people Stephen; I don't hate any group, but I'm not gonna fall for that liberal bullshit that's a severe detriment to the black community. EVERYONE generally have strengths and weaknesses NOT just BLACK PEOPLE like yall wanna narrow it down to.

Individual people have their own strengths and weaknesses, yes. But to say entire groups have certain strengths or weaknesses - that's actually racist.

If knowing this makes me a liberal, then yeah - I guess I'm a liberal.

[I-10east]

^^^Obviously you didn't read what I said correctly.

[Adam White]

^^^Obviously you didn't read what I said correctly.

Dude, you said this:

Generally speaking, we (different races/ethnicities) all have our strengths and weaknesses.

If by that statement you didn't mean that each race has its own strengths and weaknesses, then maybe you worded what you meant poorly.

[I-10east]

^^^You said that I said "But to say entire groups have certain strengths or weaknesses". I never said everyone in a group. You have an ax to grind obviously; Typically men don't argue like this; I don't care if that's 'PC' or not, yeah quote that....

[Adam White]

^^^You said that I said "But to say entire groups have certain strengths or weaknesses". I never said everyone in a group. You have an ax to grind obviously; Typically men don't argue like this; I don't care if that's 'PC' or not, yeah quote that....

You said different races have strengths and weaknesses.

And are you attempting to imply I am not a man? I'm not particularly offended, but I am a bit puzzled.

[I-10east]

^^^LOL, you conveniently left out the word 'generally'. I'm NOT questioning your sexualality at all, just saying most men agree to disagree and move on. I never have any of 'digging your heels in the mud, going nowhere' debates with MJ's women, just the men, go fig. I don't appreciate these liberal-esque  shaming tactics (racist bigot etc) being deployed against me for having an opinion. I will NOT dig deep with examples explaining myself, because more shaming will ensue. 

[Adam White]

^^^LOL, you conveniently left out the word 'generally'. I'm NOT questioning your sexualality at all, just saying most men agree to disagree and move on. I never have any of 'digging your heels in the mud, going nowhere' debates with MJ's women, just the men, go fig. I don't appreciate these liberal-esque  shaming tactics (racist bigot etc) being deployed against me for having an opinion. I will NOT dig deep with examples explaining myself, because more shaming will ensue.

Okay - I left out the word "generally". The inclusion of the word doesn't make it any better.

I'm not trying to shame you - I honestly don't think you care. And although I can be a bit of a prick from time to time, my M.O. is generally (there's that word again!) not to shame or bully people. I guess I'd like you to see why there is an issue with what I perceive (based on your comments) to be your mindset. But I don't think I'd have much luck.

As far as agreeing to disagree - I used to do that when people I knew had racist viewpoints. But somewhere in the past 20 years or so, I realized that it's important to stand up for what's right. If we don't challenge these sorts of lies, they get repeated over and over and eventually become accepted.

I've been very fortunate not to be a victim of racism - I'm a white, middle-class, university-educated, straight (you read that correctly) male. Not only have I had stuff handed to me on a plate my entire life, I've even been given the luxury of being a slacker and turning away opportunities because I never knew what it was like to have to work hard to achieve stuff or overcome adversity.

My mother and her family, on the other hand, certainly had it different. My mother is Irish and she and her family moved to Britain in the early 1960s (there wasn't much work in Ireland). She - and to a far greater extent, her mother, father and brother - regulary had to deal with English anti-Irish racism. My mother moved away before the end of the 60s, but once "the Troubles" started in Northern Ireland, life got even worse for Irish people in the UK.

None of this has anything to do with me, really - but I certainly cannot sit here and accept ideas like the Irish are "generally" lazy, drunken idiots who are incapable of achieving anything of worth (amongst other stereotypes).

It doesn't make it any better when you say "generally". It just means that most Paddys are shiftless drunks - but you could probably find a few decent ones if you look hard enough.

[I-10east]

Okay - I left out the word "generally". The inclusion of the word doesn't make it any better.

I'm not trying to shame you - I honestly don't think you care. And although I can be a bit of a prick from time to time, my M.O. is generally (there's that word again!) not to shame or bully people. I guess I'd like you to see why there is an issue with what I perceive (based on your comments) to be your mindset. But I don't think I'd have much luck.

As far as agreeing to disagree - I used to do that when people I knew had racist viewpoints. But somewhere in the past 20 years or so, I realized that it's important to stand up for what's right. If we don't challenge these sorts of lies, they get repeated over and over and eventually become accepted.

I've been very fortunate not to be a victim of racism - I'm a white, middle-class, university-educated, straight (you read that correctly) male. Not only have I had stuff handed to me on a plate my entire life, I've even been given the luxury of being a slacker and turning away opportunities because I never knew what it was like to have to work hard to achieve stuff or overcome adversity.

My mother and her family, on the other hand, certainly had it different. My mother is Irish and she and her family moved to Britain in the early 1960s (there wasn't much work in Ireland). She - and to a far greater extent, her mother, father and brother - regulary had to deal with English anti-Irish racism. My mother moved away before the end of the 60s, but once "the Troubles" started in Northern Ireland, life got even worse for Irish people in the UK.

None of this has anything to do with me, really - but I certainly cannot sit here and accept ideas like the Irish are "generally" lazy, drunken idiots who are incapable of achieving anything of worth (amongst other stereotypes).

It doesn't make it any better when you say "generally". It just means that most Paddys are shiftless drunks - but you could probably find a few decent ones if you look hard enough.

I appreciate your perspective and comments except saying that I have a 'racist viewpoint' which is absurd; That stupid 'racist' word is thrown around way too easily, don't wanna sound like a bleeding heart liberal, don't use that word so easily. I can flip that around, and say since you said 'nigger and faggot' as an example, you Adam have a 'racist and homophobic viewpoint', but I'm not a fucking 11 year old!!! No offense to your Adam, but to act like different people from various racial groups are the same with the same mindset is mind bogglingly stupid. You want examples, you got them....

Dontavious from any ghetto USA, Bradley from upper income area USA, and Jose from bordertown USA viewpoints, way of life, education etc etc are probably not the same. You are missing the point and example if you think that I'm saying ALL people of a group are the same; I'm merely making an example, get beyond the shaming bullshit please!!!

White international altruism?- Pretty damn high compared to other groups.
Indian (India) Doctors?-  Pretty damn high.
Black basketball players?- Very high compared to other groups.
Mexican crop pickers in USA? Very high.
Brazilian MMA fighters? Very well represented.
Samoan boxers? Known for having ability to take a punch (ironjaw).
American entertainment (multicultural)? 2nd to none.

Anyone saying that I'm saying all Mexican people are fruit pickers is a damn idiot, and you missed the boat completely. Those are examples of well represented groups, not 'racism' okay??? Now attack me for being a racist some more of course....Anybody?? MJ has become a liberal shaming show...

[comncense]

Wow, talk about a thread taking a severe turn...