Anti-Business Legislation by Jim Love: Council Vote Tomorrow

[duvalbill]

Jim Love needs to be taken out to the woodshed come election time if this passes.

Stephen - Pretty sad statement on your part, you don't even live in the neighborhood. Jim lives across the street from me and he cares about the neighborhood as do many of the owners of the Shoppes of Avondale. While I'd like to see more variety of restaurants, I don't have a problem with taking a breather and waiting to see how the neighborhood absorbs more vehicles in the area.

The statement about Jim Love is callous and unnecessary. Jim is doing exactly what we asked him to do when we elected him, and he is doing what he thinks is right. If you think he is wrong, take up the fight against him in the next election.

Taken to the woodshed is a colloquial expression which I'm sure was meant figuratively, not literally (i.e in the polls).  Collectively, we are residents of Jacksonville, so I think it's in our purview to offer our opinions on anything related to this city.  Stephen didn't attack his character, so I think you're picking a poor fight in this regard.  To put it in other terms, lighten up, Francis.

[acme54321]

At least MM and Kickbacks are getting through before all of this mess.  R/A is really shooting themselves in the foot.  I think this is going be a much larger detriment to the King St District than Avondale.

[thelakelander]

At least MM and Kickbacks are getting through before all of this mess.  R/A is really shooting themselves in the foot.  I think this is going be a much larger detriment to the King St District than Avondale.

^Yeah, I don't see this having much impact on Avondale.  It's not going to stop MM from coming in if they decide too.  It will probably stymie redevelopment along King Street though because there's still a ton of underutilized spaces there.  However, even King will look different in a few months with Salty Fig, Dahlia's Pour House, and Goozlepipe & Guttyworks coming on line.  The key for King Street will be what happens with the bank site in the future.  It has enough size to put up a vertical garage supporting a decent amount of restaurant space for it and the surrounding area if it were ever redeveloped.

However, if we learn anything from history is that you can't stop development if there is a market for it.  It didn't happen with the original Avondale subdivision in the 1920s (Shops of Avondale and Murray Hill's First Block grew right outside deed restricted section) and it won't in 2012.  My guess is that if there's a market for large restaurants, we'll see some more development in Murray Hill, Five Points and Brooklyn.  If 220 Brooklyn and Riverside Park come out the ground, it will be interesting to see what happens in Brooklyn.  For clubs, I'd keep my eye on the brewery district.  Lots of cheap available warehouse space and outside the district's official borders could create ideal conditions for those types of uses.

The other thing to watch out for is the national chains.  Don't underestimate their ability to take out a block of overlooked historic "non-contributing" structures to fit a suburban box with the necessary off-street parking they love anyway.

[tufsu1]

I believe it is only being introduced tomorrow...it still needs to go to the LUZ Committee before returning to full Council for a vote

It was in front of LUZ last week.

It is a done deal.

oops..my bad

[tufsu1]

And I am ashamed to say that this bill has been introduced and sponsored by a republican.

Ive had a lot of beef with my childhood party over the years, mostly on a national level, but I never ever thought I would see the day when a local republican went commie.

Jim Love needs to be taken out to the woodshed come election time if this passes.

In fact, any council member who claims to be a republican but supports this business killing bill needs to have this issue brought up at every campaign speech they make for re election.

Im just disgusted

local government is often not related to national party politics

[TheCat]

Emails for city council members.

http://www.coj.net/city-council/city-council-members.aspx

[urbanlibertarian]

The economic development being shunned by RAP is not only welcome but desperately needed in nearby areas.  Bring on the 7-Elevens, McDonalds, Family Dollars, pawn shops, car washes, food trucks, etc.  It's all good!

[TheCat]

The link to the contact list:

http://www.coj.net/city-council/city-council-members.aspx

[acme54321]

I would love to see a lot of these restaurants/bars come to San Marco, possibly along Hendricks where Aardwolf is going in.  Seems like we are always crossing the river to go out.  The Oklahoma area between Hendricks and San Marco Blvd is ripe for some development, a little run down now.

[cline]

Don't underestimate their ability to take out a block of overlooked historic "non-contributing" structures to fit a suburban box with the necessary off-street parking they love anyway.

And there are many of these structures in the district that could be demolished tomorrow...legally.

[thelakelander]

This is very similar to the spurious claim that RAP forced Publix to develop a new "historic store design and layout" that the company has gone on to use nationally.  This claim turned out to be pure poppycock,  on the same level as when Romy tried to tell everyone at the reunion that she had invented Post its.

Where did you hear this from?

[Gators312]

This is very similar to the spurious claim that RAP forced Publix to develop a new "historic store design and layout" that the company has gone on to use nationally.  This claim turned out to be pure poppycock,  on the same level as when Romy tried to tell everyone at the reunion that she had invented Post its.

Where did you hear this from?

I think he is talking about Dog Walker's quotes in this thread:

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=14470.0

[thelakelander]

Other than that particular comment by Dog Walker, I had not heard that before. 

[Ocklawaha]

My money is on Fairfax, the next great urban hot spot with a host of historic building stock and a very eclectic feel. Logistically speaking, it is the hinge pin of Riverside/Avondale - Ortega/Venetia - Lakeshore/Murray Hill, Plop down a few cool restaurant-bars, Starbucks, a trendy shop or two and the place would take off like Moody's goose. Add streetcar for effect.

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[mtraininjax]

My money is on Fairfax, the next great urban hot spot with a host of historic building stock and a very eclectic feel. Logistically speaking, it is the hinge pin of Riverside/Avondale - Ortega/Venetia - Lakeshore/Murray Hill, Plop down a few cool restaurant-bars, Starbucks, a trendy shop or two and the place would take off like Moody's goose.

Did Pastiche hear this before or after they closed their facility for dining in, to concentrate on catering? Could not draw the crowd needed to survive, Fairfax has a ways to go yet....