State Rd 9B

reednavy · February 23, 2010, 05:45:29 PM

Construction officially starts later next month, per CBS 47 via FDOT.

Oh yay! (rolls eyes)

stjr · February 23, 2010, 06:13:10 PM

Sad. Another worthless urban sprawl project driven by special interests and political favoritism.

As I recall, as least one Outer Beltway option considers tying into 9B. What does one useless road tied to another useless road get you? An extra long, useless road. And, imagine one overcrowded beltway dumping into another one. Talk about malfunction junction.

Urban sprawl is an endless cancer of the landscape. Think of all the good these hundreds of millions and billions of dollars could do for us elsewhere in our society.

British Shoe Company · February 23, 2010, 09:27:59 PM

I hope they will not have danger area's like the mile north of US1 on 9A.

reednavy · February 23, 2010, 10:52:24 PM

Quote from: British Shoe Company on February 23, 2010, 09:27:59 PM
I hope they will not have danger area's like the mile north of US1 on 9A.

Ah yes, the death curve.

Besides fixing that, I hope they widen from Philips to JTB, which would do a world of good opening up the road more. It is a nightmare many days on the stretch, both directions.

Ocklawaha · February 24, 2010, 12:37:22 AM

The original I-22 or what was then called the FL-GA Parkway, was never considered a traffic reliever for Jacksonville, nor would it be today. It's economic effects would be far reaching, and fairly "sprawless." Why?
Because it would necessarily tie into the Jacksonville highway grid somewhere in the far northwest side of town, not exactly prime residential lands. The area it would enter, and my guess is, with some research the 20TH Street Expressway out to King's Road, near Grand Crossing, is probably some early project influenced by this parkway.

For all practical purposes THIS ROAD, would follow the Norfolk Southern Railroad between Jacksonville and Valdosta. It would be the most direct route to the American Grain Belt from the Deep South. It's travelers wouldn't be so much Joe Lunchbox, going to work, as it would be Mack the trucker going to Kansas City. If it were built and properly promoted by our Port, we would be in a position to knock the legs out from under all of the American Gulf Coast Ports, and no other Atlantic Port could touch us.

No this is no commuter road, or even a parkway to vacation land, though it COULD become a vacation route, this is a pure cargo and money corridor.

OCKLAWAHA

thelakelander · February 24, 2010, 12:46:03 AM

We're trying to reduce VMTs. More superhighways only make things worse. While it would benefit cargo movement and industrial development along nearby rail lines, developers would build the same crap coming to the Outer Beltway along that corridor. Like rail would attract dense development, that type of road investment would also facilitate sprawl in that area. It would be counterproductive to the fight for sustainability.

Ocklawaha · February 24, 2010, 01:27:36 AM

I don't think it will ever be built, but I would worry about development in that corridor. It's Okefenokee Swamp! What isn't already protected, can't be used when it rains... Just go out to Westlake, or Camp Milton, for a taste of the "squish, squish, sink" in those pastures.

OCKLAWAHA

St. Auggie · February 24, 2010, 08:38:21 AM

I get the outer (outer outer?) beltway contributing to sprawl, but I dont really feel you can make that argument here (9B). The developments are already being built (Durbing Bartram Park etc) and this runs up to 9A, already fairly developed. You may feel it is a waste of money, I am neutral on that thought, but the sprawl is already there.

jandar · February 24, 2010, 09:33:04 AM

Quote from: St. Auggie on February 24, 2010, 08:38:21 AM
I get the outer (outer outer?) beltway contributing to sprawl, but I dont really feel you can make that argument here (9B). The developments are already being built (Durbing Bartram Park etc) and this runs up to 9A, already fairly developed. You may feel it is a waste of money, I am neutral on that thought, but the sprawl is already there.

[sarcasm]Sprawl is bad, dur. You have to make it go away. There is no working with sprawl. its bad. Ignore it and it will go away[/sarcasm]

Jason · February 24, 2010, 10:30:40 AM

Quote from: St. Auggie on February 24, 2010, 08:38:21 AM
I get the outer (outer outer?) beltway contributing to sprawl, but I dont really feel you can make that argument here (9B). The developments are already being built (Durbing Bartram Park etc) and this runs up to 9A, already fairly developed. You may feel it is a waste of money, I am neutral on that thought, but the sprawl is already there.

The Nocatee Parkway, Parkway extension, and connection to Racetrack Rd will be much better served by an interchange and slight realighment at Racetrack and I95. 9B is essentially doing the same thing.

thelakelander · February 24, 2010, 10:37:59 AM

Quote from: jandar on February 24, 2010, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: St. Auggie on February 24, 2010, 08:38:21 AM
I get the outer (outer outer?) beltway contributing to sprawl, but I dont really feel you can make that argument here (9B). The developments are already being built (Durbing Bartram Park etc) and this runs up to 9A, already fairly developed. You may feel it is a waste of money, I am neutral on that thought, but the sprawl is already there.

[sarcasm]Sprawl is bad, dur. You have to make it go away. There is no working with sprawl. its bad. Ignore it and it will go away[/sarcasm]

Reality. Sprawl can be good if developed right. Riverside is an example of that.

copperfiend · February 24, 2010, 11:04:31 AM

Is there an updated map?

jandar · February 24, 2010, 12:26:33 PM

Quote from: thelakelander on February 24, 2010, 10:37:59 AM

Reality. Sprawl can be good if developed right. Riverside is an example of that.

This is true.

Overstreet · February 24, 2010, 12:56:16 PM

Quote from: Jason on October 23, 2009, 09:32:30 AM...........Based on my experience with the intersection of I95/I295/9A, there is very little traffic that uses 9A east from south of town. I'd say that 80-90% of the northbound traffic (SJC residents) all head straight up I95 into town......................

Not if you work at Mayo, Hecksure drive, Baymeadows, Regency area and points inbetween. Or if you live south and are going to the airport. Not everybody works downtown.

I often use it to go fishing at Mayport. Much faster than I-95 to Hecksure. WAAAAY better than I-95 to Beach or Atlantic.

Overstreet · February 24, 2010, 01:01:57 PM

Quote from: reednavy on October 13, 2009, 04:12:58 PM................... A good bit of the traffic problem would be releaved, for a few years at least until developers come along, by building an interchange with Racetrack Road. ..............

Cancelled by the FDOT back in the early 90s. Just after they put the rest stop in they tried to put a interchange in at Racetrack and I-95. The problem then was that the interchange would be too close to the ramps for the rest stop. We all can cite examples of shorter ramps and bad interchanges but the standards have changed since those were installed.