Hadely CRU Hacked and Emails posted

[Clem1029]

So far, you and your side have only offered political or economic opinion as a balance against the chemistry and climatological evidence pseudoscience and quasi-religious faith.

/fix'd

[Sigma]

And in reading the actual article, there isnt any real support for your post.

uh, yeah, stephen.  Except for the fact that the main "scientist" is trying to justify lying to the world and now admits that his data has been extremely altered.  Other than that, no, no support in that article. 


But here's more!

“The temperature records cannot be relied on as indicators of global change,” said John Christy, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, a former lead author on the IPCC.

The doubts of Christy and a number of other researchers focus on the thousands of weather stations around the world, which have been used to collect temperature data over the past 150 years.

These stations, they believe, have been seriously compromised by factors such as urbanisation, changes in land use and, in many cases, being moved from site to site.

Christy has published research papers looking at these effects in three different regions: east Africa, and the American states of California and Alabama.

“The story is the same for each one,” he said. “The popular data sets show a lot of warming but the apparent temperature rise was actually caused by local factors affecting the weather stations, such as land development.”

The IPCC faces similar criticisms from Ross McKitrick, professor of economics at the University of Guelph, Canada, who was invited by the panel to review its last report.

The experience turned him into a strong critic and he has since published a research paper questioning its methods.

“We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the IPCC’s climate data are contaminated with surface effects from industrialisation and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias,” he said.

Such warnings are supported by a study of US weather stations co-written by Anthony Watts, an American meteorologist and climate change sceptic.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece

[buckethead]

I am old enough to remember when scientists agreed that there would be another ice age by 2000, coupled with a population explosion that would outrun capacity to produce by 3 fold.

Happily they were wrong, and I became skeptical about scientific theories of Apocolypse.

This is prudence, not extremism.

[TPC]

For those of you who don't believe in global warming, or don't think our car emissions are dangerous please try this experiment. Park you car in you garage and close your garage door. Now turn on your car engine and unroll your windows. Sit there for a long period of time and tell me how it turns out.

[buckethead]

Nice straw man.

[buckethead]

I did not read the story you mention. These theories we spoon fed to me in school.

[buckethead]

You must have gone to the single most credulous school in the history of America.

Did they also teach you that Yoko Ono broke up the Beatles and that Nixon was set up by the liberals?

MCAS-H Jacksonville NC: A public school. . 1st through 3rd grades (just outside the gates of the Marine base where my father was stationed). I learned nothing of the above in school, but they did teach me about Jesus, How to get under my desk and kiss my ass goodbye in the event of a nuclear attack, (yes kids, it was nuclear "new-clear" back then) as well as evolution-creationism (single theory). As you were not yet born, Steven, I don't expect you to believe my account.

As it turns out; scientists and teachers were as fallible as clergymen. Not any more though!

[buckethead]

Just tryin' to make you feel young! We are likely the same age, and at ours, a few years is no real difference.

[Dog Walker]

I think I remember a Popular Science cover about the same coming ice age.

[JagFan07]

Wow, you guys are taking me way back. I remember the "Duck and Cover" drills.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Sbw6Nxf8dYU

[Sportmotor]

You cant go wrong with Lewis Black

[NotNow]

I think the media speculation was common in the 60's and 70's.  Many studies contradicted (then, as now).  This issue isn't going away anytime soon.

[jandar]

Answer me this, why did the IPCC hid the Maunder Minimum in their graphs?
Why was there no mention of the MWP in their reports?

[Dog Walker]

I've been trying to find it but cannot.  There was a Popular Science cover sometime in the '70's showing the Statue of Liberty up to her waist in ice and snow.  The article inside was something about the periodic recurrence of Ice Ages and how all of the extra carbon dioxide we had put in the atmosphere since the industrial revolution had warded off one that would have come.

New twist; protective global warming!

[Dog Walker]

"Among Weathercasters, Doubts On Warming"

Article in today's New York Times about the divide in opinion between TV meteorologists and climate scientists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/science/earth/30warming.html?ref=earth