Help!!

[fatcat]

sport, very well put

[Sportmotor]

Thank you

[downtownparks]

Strider knows that we see eye to eye on most issues, and Zoo knows that we often disagree with each other.

But in this case, on the code side, I have to agree with Zoo.   New group homes were specifically not permitted in the springfield overlay

Stephen, wanna make a bet as to who is right and who isn't on this one?  (Before you take that bet, go read the ordinance at municode---or just read what has been posted by ZOO & I both - it sort of says it all.)

Its obvious Joe knows, because he has opened 5 of the things.

It doesnt make it any better.

I believe that this all skirts the intent of the back and forth that occurred over the overlay a year ago, and of the whole debate that was held when Joe, and his group of halfway houses contested the original overlay.

Joe, in his own special sanctimonious way, told everyone that the overlay redo would solve the problems he and other businesses were facing, despite protections in the overlay. It would let the legit businesses who has existed for years, continue to operate as they always had, and that no more special use houses would be allowed.

The second the legislation was signed and sealed, Joe rushed right in, and opened all of his properties as 'low density' facilities, because nobody caught on to the '6 residents' caveat.

Ju'Coby Pittman is just reaping the fruit of Joes labor.

[nvrenuf]

So Strider (Joe) did not do that? Or he did but you feel this isn't the place to say so?

[Deuce]

After reading through the code myself, it does seem that the under six low density is allowed. I hate to admit that as I don't want any of these use types in the neighborhood, either existing or future. I want to see families move in.

All of this leads me to other questions though. What's the required square footage of habitation, i.e. how many sq ft of bedroom is required per adult. Is that stated elsewhere in the muni code or is it in state fire code? If it's not included anywhere in the code then that is a major oversight in the drafting of the overlay.

[fatcat]

Stephan, after reading your long statement twice, I was not able to find anything that answers nvrnef's question. I feel that your answer contains words such as "jackass neighbors", "personal venom" fits the bill of "personally attack"

[Sigma]

surprised you didn't know that.

Stephen, it's your narcissistic condescension towards other posters that is just as bad as "name calling".  I laugh at how you split hairs on this issue.  Anytime you dish out remarks towards another, it should not be considered negative or personal, just "snarky".  What a joke.

Moving on:
Strider is active in managing his properties and tenants.  Any problems, and he will address it (and I don't mean by getting drunk in an SUV and running down anyone either).

To my knowledge, there are no problems with any property Strider manages.  You can't say that for some of the other landlords or "managers".  So personal reputation here goes a long way and should be considered with Pittman.

I will repeat - she should have discussed the whole issue with her neighbors.  Especially in a sensitive community like Springfield where residents have invested heavily to turn around its blighted past. 

Mental issues?  Violent history?  drug abuse? These questions, I believe, are the underlying concerns for any of these group homes.  Residents have a right to be concerned. 

I would much rather have a home next to me that Strider owns and manages, than say, some seedy, absent landlord who rents Section 8, or houses a bunch of loud partying college students.

[Omarvelous09]

OK...let me clear things up. As i stated in the original post, the hearing was in reference to the "Fire Alarm sprinkler system unit"  two feet from the sidewalk. The information regarding the Vets home came after investigating the need for a sprinkler system that large.
In response to those who have labled me as someone who lacks compassion for the homeless/vets...you shouldn't make ignorant accusations about someone you don't know. Not only has my family been involved in local social services for decades, and i have personally worked with the Clara White mission since i was a teenager. My concerns are not only with the property value, but with the welfare of my mother and the other single older women who live on the block.
A veterans shelter is a great idea for springfield, especially with the VA hospital on the way...but there are many other buildings that are better suited. As to the codes that apply to the number of people allowed..the property has a separate apartment in the back. I've lived in springfield most of my life, and have seen many a "shelter" turn into a group home...and eventually into a hot bed for drugs use/sale.
Like i stated originally, during the meeting she had a representative speak regarding the matter of the Vet. Shelter....so its not like i pulled this out of my butt. Whether this is passed or not.. i just wanted to bring it to the readers attention. All i really have to say in my defense, is imagine if it was your home?

[nvrenuf]

WOW, guess I shouldn't ask for clarification of a statement. ever. again.

[Omarvelous09]

I'm sorry Omar.  I didn't see the post where said it was discussed at the meeting!

It's OK Stephen... i just don't want this thread ( like all others) to turn into a battle ground of personal opinion. My intent was to bring this info to the forefront of the community, even though it hasn't been officially proposed. As to the person who suggested that i wait until something bad happens to report it... You don't put your head up to a gun, and wait for the person to shoot before running. Especially since Ms. Pittman can't dictate who will be able to stay in the shelter....if she was able to do that i wouldn't mind as much.

[nvrenuf]

Omar, your point is right on target. We have been told before whether with intended sincerity or not that 'special use home' X will only provide services for these incredibly wonderful people who only need a helping hand. Don't we all want to help? Then the next thing you know its pedophiles and people waving guns as they walk through our residential streets. And those were both in 1 'special use home' with supposedly onsite management and curfew that I'm referring to. I don't know about all the others in our small neighborhood.

[Sigma]

"Il ne faut rien laisser au hasard."

It's just a touchy subject Omar - your concern is valid.

[Omarvelous09]

exactly Omar. way too much battlegrounding and attacking.

Why wouldn't Miss Pittman be able to say who stays there?

Well to my understanding...she would technically be leasing her home to the VA association.

[downtownparks]

Is there a non-attacking way to tell someone to blow it out their ass?

I guess there is. You just talk about them in a not-so-abstract third person, never quite replying, but leaving nobody with a doubt about who or what your talking about. Well done.

Omar, you have done nothing wrong, nor has anyone else (well, mostly). This is a big issue. Before the overlay was re-tuned last year, it seemed like this topic wasnt that big. We had river regions and the Jewish center issue several years ago, but most of the halfway house/rooming house issues that came up, dealt with fly-by-night operations that were illegal by any standard, or long standing businesses who have been in the community for years.

Now, since it has come up, its been a regular issue. Odd how that happens, isnt it?

Anyone who tries to spin this as a vet-hating issue, is being disingenuous.

[downtownparks]

Do you read your own posts? just wondering?