Missouri Football players on strike

[finehoe]

That is a manufactured story taking some facebook post and trying to make it some national effort. You don't see Fox News or National Review or a host of other center-right or right organizations bitching about Starbucks and those cups. To equate that non-event with what happened at Mizzou is ludicrous. No one is making the point that differences of opinion are real and deeply held.

This is about free speech being attacked, institutionally!

The whole "War on Christmas" nonsense and the "Persecution of Christians" idiocy has been going on much longer than this latest Starbucks cup thing (and yes Fox News is on the cup 'controversy': http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/11/09/fox-host-the-war-on-christmas-is-off-to-an-earl/206704).

But don't let that affect your narrative that manufactured outrage is strictly a liberal phenomenon.

[Adam White]

That is a manufactured story taking some facebook post and trying to make it some national effort. You don't see Fox News or National Review or a host of other center-right or right organizations bitching about Starbucks and those cups. To equate that non-event with what happened at Mizzou is ludicrous. No one is making the point that differences of opinion are real and deeply held.

This is about free speech being attacked, institutionally!

The whole "War on Christmas" nonsense and the "Persecution of Christians" idiocy has been going on much longer than this latest Starbucks cup thing (and yes Fox News is on the cup 'controversy': http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/11/09/fox-host-the-war-on-christmas-is-off-to-an-earl/206704).

But don't let that affect your narrative that manufactured outrage is strictly a liberal phenomenon.

Or how about the idiotic contention that if a college student (or anyone else) is liberal, he or she is "indoctrinated," whereas anyone with conservative views is just thinking for himself?

[RattlerGator]

professor of mass media at what some think is the #1 journalism school in the country.  Had to shake my head when I saw that this morning.

It appears she is *not* a J-school professor but is instead in the Department of Communication, which has an "area focus" on Mass Media and is heavy into theory:

https://communication.missouri.edu/undergrad/massmedia

The department is part of Mizzou's College of Arts and Sciences.

[RattlerGator]

Or how about the idiotic contention that if a college student (or anyone else) is liberal, he or she is "indoctrinated," whereas anyone with conservative views is just thinking for himself?

Adam, show me where I've said or intimated that.

And I'm waiting on someone to show me a college campus where people on the right are shouting down speakers and not allowing them to speak.

The mere fact that a Fox News host had a throw-away line about the supposed War on Christmas in no way, shape or form indicates some crazy focus on Starbucks and their cups. Few people on the right are talking about this but folks on the left sure as heck are. Gotta keep that non-thinking caricature going.

[fsquid]

professor of mass media at what some think is the #1 journalism school in the country.  Had to shake my head when I saw that this morning.

It appears she is *not* a J-school professor but is instead in the Department of Communication, which has an "area focus" on Mass Media and is heavy into theory:

https://communication.missouri.edu/undergrad/massmedia

The department is part of Mizzou's College of Arts and Sciences.

that's a relief

[RattlerGator]

fsquid, I agree. But still telling. The photographer appeared quite sympathetic to them, but that didn't matter to the future marxist-leninists. No, sir buddy! And Stephen, the important thing wasn't the college the professor (not a student, by the way) is associated with. It was the fact that she's a professor at a respected university and -- acting as an agent of the university (which is an arm of the government) was blatantly violating that J-school student's first amendment rights.

Surely you can't be missing that essential point.

But maybe you can, given a few of your most recent responses. Stephen, can you objectively read my comments without some blinkered interpretation infecting what you've read? I'm beginning to doubt that you can.

And then there's this:

No. actually Rattler Gator, there has never been a marxist government outside of Christianity.

There has been mixed socialism, but never a stateless society of the proletateriat.

Sorry, but you know there are books on this subject, right?

Okay, Stephen -- that was good for a great, great laugh. Thank you !!! Thank you very much. What was I saying to Adam about a supremacist take? So, you've revealed yourself to be a nativist with Shad Khan and now as a supremacist on issues of religion it seems. Outside of Christianity, huh? So . . . y'all *are* worshiping the God of marxism -- dayyyuuuummmm.

And . . . books? Did you say Books on the subject ! ? ! Keep the laughs coming, man. I think you maybe meant indoctrination pamphlets -- right, Adam?

Honestly. A stateless society of the proletariat? Good grief, Stephen. Incredulity is all that shiznit deserves and that's damn well all you're going to get out of me.

But, back to the question of this thread (which you seem to be hijacking). Stephen, are you not disturbed by what occurred there?

[TheCat]

More powerful than football or dollars (those matter more to the alumni) on campus is the crazy desire by faculty and staff to *not* be caricatured as something other than liberal. To step off the plantation in this way is to risk ridicule, and worse. Did you not listen to that young chick at Yale scream at this obviously liberal man gallantly standing there and listening to her foolishness but doing so with complete respect and restraint? I mean, the absolute comfort she felt to be so incredibly intolerant -- of someone placed there, as a member of the tribe essentially -- for her benefit. That was jarring.

Does the woman know how to feel any sense of shame? Do any of the folks so casually tossing around the Scarlet Letter "R" at the mere utterance of a contrary thought?

Liberals lose their freaking mind when accused of being racist (and Black people know this; anyone see those Bernie Sanders rallies when the ridiculous BlackLivesMatter people jumped the stage in Seattle ). The shiznit is completely out-of-control.

And, you don't have to be a Rush Limbaugh fan (I rarely listen but I don't have a problem with the man or his program) to know the generic truth of what I-10east posted. Never in American history has the path forward been so wide open and relatively unhindered for African Americans -- and that crazy azz chick is out there screaming at a sympathetic man about a triviality.

At Yale !!!

Many, many white people have figured out that a good number of African Americans have a damn near complete inability to distinguish rudeness from racism, or indifference from racism, or bad luck from racism, or all manner of things experienced by all people . . . from racism. It has truly grown to bizarre proportions, this conflating damn near anything negative that happens in your life to racism. And, there is less and less of an ability to look squarely in the mirror -- and accept personal responsibility or at least accept the possibility that you made a healthy contribution to whatever negativity surrounds you. White people, black people -- everyone is quick these days to lapse into bitch-and-moan mode. I personally detest it.

Adam, if you didn't run into any of the longing for the activism of the 1960s (and the inherent mythologizing of what actually happened, or how many people were actually involved) at the two universities you attended . . . where, pray tell, was that !?!

Tell me more about how black americans can't tell when someone is rude or racist.


I love the outrage of "political correctness gone too far". The result of PC going too far is a university president resining?

Yet, we have debates as to whether minorities are repeatedly and inter-generationally marginalized.

As a society we believe that racism is moderate enough for our liking but PC has gone too far.

The outrage seems to be that it is possible that a white man was unfairly treated and this country will not stand for that. Yet, when there is discrimination towards entire generations of minority americans...well, they're unable to discern the realities of life?

Is my assessment correct?

[fsquid]

professor of mass media at what some think is the #1 journalism school in the country.  Had to shake my head when I saw that this morning.

It appears she is *not* a J-school professor but is instead in the Department of Communication, which has an "area focus" on Mass Media and is heavy into theory:

https://communication.missouri.edu/undergrad/massmedia

The department is part of Mizzou's College of Arts and Sciences.

that's a relief

yes.  so not actually a journalism student.  Which would make the behavior more scandalous, because you know......Journalism.  (liberal bias, what not.)

Wonder why the right wing has framed this as such, when its really a kid from the arts college?

professor is the person acting like an asshat.  I have an interest as I have three cousins who graduated from Mizzou journalism.

[TheCat]

fsquid, I agree. But still telling. The photographer appeared quite sympathetic to them, but that didn't matter to the future marxist-leninists. No, sir buddy! And Stephen, the important thing wasn't the college the professor (not a student, by the way) is associated with. It was the fact that she's a professor at a respected university and -- acting as an agent of the university (which is an arm of the government) was blatantly violating that J-school student's first amendment rights.

Surely you can't be missing that essential point.

But maybe you can, given a few of your most recent responses. Stephen, can you objectively read my comments without some blinkered interpretation infecting what you've read? I'm beginning to doubt that you can.

And then there's this:

No. actually Rattler Gator, there has never been a marxist government outside of Christianity.

There has been mixed socialism, but never a stateless society of the proletateriat.

Sorry, but you know there are books on this subject, right?

Okay, Stephen -- that was good for a great, great laugh. Thank you !!! Thank you very much. What was I saying to Adam about a supremacist take? So, you've revealed yourself to be a nativist with Shad Khan and now as a supremacist on issues of religion it seems. Outside of Christianity, huh? So . . . y'all *are* worshiping the God of marxism -- dayyyuuuummmm.

And . . . books? Did you say Books on the subject ! ? ! Keep the laughs coming, man. I think you maybe meant indoctrination pamphlets -- right, Adam?

Honestly. A stateless society of the proletariat? Good grief, Stephen. Incredulity is all that shiznit deserves and that's damn well all you're going to get out of me.

But, back to the question of this thread (which you seem to be hijacking). Stephen, are you not disturbed by what occurred there?

RG, we try to speak English during our discussions. Please keep it as American as possible. A lot of people aren't comfortable with speaking bull shit. Maybe, you can start a thread explaining how to properly conjugate and interpret the BS form of American English.

[fsquid]

Well they are taught to say that daily by their mind control masters at Fox.  I always find it so depressing how few right wing people actually seem to think for themselves or actually study an issue before they repeat the latest nonsense on the right wing closed circuit.

And of course, here is an account from an actual student at Yale about what is going on at the campus.

As expected, there are huge parts missing from the official uppity blacks narrative.

https://medium.com/@aaronzlewis/what-s-really-going-on-at-yale-6bdbbeeb57a6

he may be there, but that is just a long string of letters on a screen.   What drivel.

[Adam White]

Or how about the idiotic contention that if a college student (or anyone else) is liberal, he or she is "indoctrinated," whereas anyone with conservative views is just thinking for himself?

Adam, show me where I've said or intimated that.

And I'm waiting on someone to show me a college campus where people on the right are shouting down speakers and not allowing them to speak.

The mere fact that a Fox News host had a throw-away line about the supposed War on Christmas in no way, shape or form indicates some crazy focus on Starbucks and their cups. Few people on the right are talking about this but folks on the left sure as heck are. Gotta keep that non-thinking caricature going.

Sorry RattlerGator - I wasn't referring to anything you have posted. I should have been more clear.

[Adam White]

And I'm waiting on someone to show me a college campus where people on the right are shouting down speakers and not allowing them to speak.

Here's a nice article on how anti-Israel speech is being supressed on university campuses (I realise this is not literal "shouting down" but you get the idea):

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/free_speech_for_all_on_campus_unless_youre_criticizing_israel_that_is/

[Adam White]

Yeah, I "went there" - because it's true. Do you know what Marxism-Leninism is?

I'm still waiting for a response on this.

[simms3]

Seems a solid 5% of the people I'm surrounded with went to Yale, including several minorities.  Add another 5% for each of other prestigious schools Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford (probably more like 20% here), and Penn (also probably like 10-15%).  In fact, in San Francisco, most of my friends and acquaintances attended one of these schools, or Berkeley or UCLA.  Occasional others of premium prestige.  I'll be interested in hearing how horrible the racism is at these schools from people a little older than the little minions screaming and cursing at their professors today.  Birds still chirping.

The Atlantic piece was absolutely brilliant.  And today I notice a new tune at NYT and LA Times.  Don't mess with the media.  Don't bite the hands that feed you.  If there was any group sympathetic to the cause, it was the majority of the media.  After the events unfolded at Mizzou where the media was so publicly shut out, all bets are off now.

I waver on my own thoughts on my own generation.  On one hand, I think we're pretty awesome and that prior generations mucked it up for us.  I still believe this.  But on the other, I think many of us are absolutely spineless wimps who deserve less than half of what we do have.  Life is tough and our own feelings are nothing.  How selfish are we?  Humans are mostly good.  All of us have bad streaks.  Put us all together in one confined place before we have even half so much as matured and we are bound to cut each other down.  But we are also bound to be awesome to each other.  It's a mixed bag.  Teen years are tough.  But in reality, for many if not most, college years are still just as tough!  I'm glad my parents always told me my time to enjoy life wouldn't even arrive until I got closer to 30 because if I had expected more up until now I would be miserable.  Ups and downs start to smooth out later and later in life.  Our life expectancy is 70-80 years now.  We aren't even total adults until at least 30.  Please, these kids just need to simmer down.  Life in America isn't so bad.

There will always be endemic racism, homophobia, xenophobia, misogyny, etc etc etc (and honestly do we dare mention that there is an absolute hate by some people towards white males?...it's not PC to say so but fuck it, it's true)  Do we honestly expect to be completely void of these fairly natural human notions to be biased or even afraid of the unfamiliar on our college campuses?!?  Compared to even just 10-20 years ago, we're basically rid of these notions but it will never be 100%.  If I were the parent or grandparent of a black teen at one of these schools, I think I'd be pissed.  I would have actually been through it.  I would have witnessed the real crusaders fighting for meaningful change.  But I don't think I would ever expect that 100% of humanity would be 100% non-racist.  My black daughter is in Yale.  My mother sat at the back of the bus and drank out of different water fountains and went into different schools, restaurants, bathrooms, etc.  My black daughter heard the n word mumbled once or encountered racism from some douchey white guys at a notoriously white/racist frat (why would black girls want to go there anyway?!? this is known at every college that SAE is this way...), but overall her life is fine with diverse friends free from racism.  Like WTF is she complaining about?  And if that were her screaming at that professor, whether I'm shelling out $65K/year to send her there (maybe I worked multiple jobs to be able to do so) or whether generous donors to the school (likely mostly white) allowed her a free ride, I would slap the shit out of her and yank her out of there so fast she wouldn't even know what's coming.  She is the epitome of everything that is wrong with my generation.

[I-10east]

That doesn't sound like either university I attended. Was this your experience when you were in college? Where was it?

Sounds like you're trying to get all high and mighty with me. I did a couple of classes at Jones College, and everything was okay. There was no racial incident during the time I was there (to my knowledge) so that 'experience' argument isn't applicable. For the most part college IS ran by the extreme liberal left, make no mistake about it.