Missouri Football players on strike

[I-10east]

This is why I listen to Rush Limcheese. All he talks about is Liberal Colleges and their Professors? Rush is an Entertainer at best and his lemmings would all jump over the cliff if he told them to.

Haha, it's the exact opposite, the 'lemmings' or 'sheep' are the followers of the liberal philosophy that kowtows to this black victimization narrative which is very pernicious. I'm an independent thinker that believes in personal responsibility; You may call that conservative, but I call it being responsible for one's self. I don't need no handouts, I don't need 40 acres and a mule, I don't need affirmative action (which is basically legalized discrimination against whites) my standards don't need to be lowered, and on and on... These buzz words, haha.."Rush Limbaugh" and "Fox News". That has no substance with me. 

[BridgeTroll]

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

Something strange is happening at America's colleges and universities. A movement is arising, undirected and driven largely by students, to scrub campuses clean of words, ideas, and subjects that might cause discomfort or give offense.........

Here is your coddling Simms3... You are not alone...

This article is full of terms like... Microaggressions and... Trigger warnings and... vindictive protectiveness... and emotional reasoning

Enjoy... 

[I-10east]

And, you don't have to be a Rush Limbaugh fan (I rarely listen but I don't have a problem with the man or his program) to know the generic truth of what I-10east posted.

Thank you RG.

[Adam White]

That doesn't sound like either university I attended. Was this your experience when you were in college? Where was it?

Sounds like you're trying to get all high and mighty with me. I did a couple of classes at Jones College, and everything was okay. There was no racial incident during the time I was there (to my knowledge) so that 'experience' argument isn't applicable. For the most part college IS ran by the extreme liberal left, make no mistake about it.

I'm not trying to "get all high and mighty" on you. I just wanted to know where you encountered this - because your comment was very strongly-worded and it almost seemed personal.

[I-10east]

This Mizzouri folly will be fuel for more copycat college rallies; Racial rebels without a cause using unfounded and misguided blame on campuses all over the country. Coming to a college near you SMH...

[I-10east]

^^^It's been a while. What does that have to do with anything??

[civil42806]

Don't hurt the snowflakes feelings

http://www.mediaite.com/online/university-of-missouri-police-ask-students-to-report-hurtful-speech/

[I-10east]

I'm not trying to "get all high and mighty" on you. I just wanted to know where you encountered this - because your comment was very strongly-worded and it almost seemed personal.

My bad then. While it's true for some experiences, IMO every experience don't have to be personal for validation like many think. This is the digital age. Speakers that don't tow the liberal narrative aren't popular on college campuses; Speakers like Ayaan Hirsi Ali who is very qualified to speak on Islam, and her speech was cancelled at Brandeis University because she doesn't tow the left's narrative. People who are Islamic, wanna talk about America's faults, it being racist and that sorta thing are popular, because it's multicultural. It always seems like (nowadays) the extremely rude ones (usually students) that are shouting are liberals while the opposing side is calm. These are my analyses throughout the years, just from my observations on TV, online, publications etc.

[I-10east]

so you really have no clue as to what is happening on today's campuses or why.  Isn't that true?

Just your middle aged opinion based on something that happened to you twenty years ago?

Very bizarre...

[simms3]

^^^It's been a while. What does that have to do with anything??

so you really have no clue as to what is happening on today's campuses or why.  Isn't that true?

Just your middle aged opinion based on something that happened to you twenty years ago?

But let's be real, is racism on college campuses today now WORSE than it was when a middle-aged person today attended decades ago?  Is that what you're implying when you say "you have no idea what's going on on campuses today".  Also, Stephen, can I point out that you yourself are middle-aged?  Please don't even try to pass yourself off as someone deeply in tune with what's going on on college campuses today.  I believe you're about as far removed from it as anybody else here, and there are actually quite a few posters, myself included, who are a little more fresh out of these campuses than you are.

[simms3]

Yes Stephen, and I agree with your premise.  But at the same time, the way people are acting, one would think we had transgressed back into the 60s.  I think you and I can both come at this from the perspective of a minority and as people in a minority group that have likely experienced bias/prejudice/hate, perhaps sometimes fairly extreme, from people just based on who we are, at some point in our own lives.  But honestly, in this day and age it's so uncommon and universally frowned upon that I just shrug it off and move on.  I see it in the gay community.  We take everything for granted.  But the generations before us of Harvey Milk's time, or even before, or even as recently as in the 80s and 90s when large percentages of the gay population literally died off as the only place in the country that would fund research into what was happening were hospitals and clinics in SF, they really went through a whole lot.  By comparison, if we wander off into a conservative part of town and hear the word faggot mumbled under someone's breath (which honestly, how often does that happen anywhere, these days...if it happens, it happens in a place you'd expect it, and the whole country hears about it as a front page story), it's like the end of the world happened.  Yes, there are isolated incidents which are atrocious, like the recent beating in Palm Springs of all places, but these incidents that used to happen every day all over the country for years are now a few times a year in total, countrywide, and receive major press, and all the troops rally to find justice.  I mean, it's a different world, for blacks, gays, women, now even trans, basically there is fairly universal acceptance and tolerance.  And these kids in college today grew up in by far the most tolerant world the world has ever seen and look how spoiled they're acting!  I can't stand them.  Little bitches who have actually never experienced real strife who claim their mere existence demands respect and admiration and for all of their demands and ill-formed thoughts based out of no actual experience to be listened to on a one way street.

We are basically at 95-99% tolerance.  A few decades ago, closer to 0% tolerance.  100 years ago people of the same race were even intolerant of each other (Italians vs Irish etc).  We're in a world today where if a mixed-race, super fat, Muslim-Wicca mixed religion MTF woman former drag queen who kept her name of Sue Casa ran for president, she has a fighting chance!

And we're to believe these little snobs at Yale have it so bad and there's intense racism there?  'Da fuck?  Like what more do these people want?  There will always be racism and classism and elitism and misogyny and anti-semitism and general hate.  I will say, the more this becomes a single-group thing (like only black people are experiencing this awful racism from everyone else, and Asians don't even count as a minority group because they're basically "white"), the more this stuff happens, the more it will piss more people off and frankly, it might exacerbate racism.  It's becoming too much in my opinion.  Too many asks for sheer perfection on the part of everyone, which will never happen.

[Adam White]

I think teenagers and 20-somethings can be ridiculous. I also think that when they leave the nest and get a chance to experience freedom and a wider variety of opinions/cultures/whatever they can sometimes go overboard. It's all part of "finding yourself" and coming to grips with who you are. I think back to lots of stuff I did when I was that age - and I'm not necessarily talking political stuff - and I shudder. (Hell, I think back to stuff I did last week sometimes and wonder what I was thinking).

But even so, that doesn't mean that sometimes (or oftentimes) the protestors don't have a point. It's just that they go about it the wrong way. Racism still exists. Sexism does too. As do lots of other problems.

I don't know what happened in Missouri - and because of that, I won't offer an opinion on the matter. But whatever was happening on that campus was apparently bad enough (whether really bad or just perceived to be bad) to get the whole football team to down tools and refuse to play. Think about that for a second - we're talking football players, not your usual Marxists or liberals or whatever. It's not the Black Panthers or the Weathermen. It's football players. That's the one thing that actually made me wonder if my gut reaction might've been wrong.

[simms3]

Yes Stephen, and I agree with your premise.  But at the same time, the way people are acting, one would think we had transgressed back into the 60s.  I think you and I can both come at this from the perspective of a minority and as people in a minority group that have likely experienced bias/prejudice/hate, perhaps sometimes fairly extreme, from people just based on who we are, at some point in our own lives.  But honestly, in this day and age it's so uncommon and universally frowned upon that I just shrug it off and move on.  I see it in the gay community.  We take everything for granted.  But the generations before us of Harvey Milk's time, or even before, or even as recently as in the 80s and 90s when large percentages of the gay population literally died off as the only place in the country that would fund research into what was happening were hospitals and clinics in SF, they really went through a whole lot.  By comparison, if we wander off into a conservative part of town and hear the word faggot mumbled under someone's breath (which honestly, how often does that happen anywhere, these days...if it happens, it happens in a place you'd expect it, and the whole country hears about it as a front page story), it's like the end of the world happened.  Yes, there are isolated incidents which are atrocious, like the recent beating in Palm Springs of all places, but these incidents that used to happen every day all over the country for years are now a few times a year in total, countrywide, and receive major press, and all the troops rally to find justice.  I mean, it's a different world, for blacks, gays, women, now even trans, basically there is fairly universal acceptance and tolerance.  And these kids in college today grew up in by far the most tolerant world the world has ever seen and look how spoiled they're acting!  I can't stand them.  Little bitches who have actually never experienced real strife who claim their mere existence demands respect and admiration and for all of their demands and ill-formed thoughts based out of no actual experience to be listened to on a one way street.

We are basically at 95-99% tolerance.  A few decades ago, closer to 0% tolerance.  100 years ago people of the same race were even intolerant of each other (Italians vs Irish etc).  We're in a world today where if a mixed-race, super fat, Muslim-Wicca mixed religion MTF woman former drag queen who kept her name of Sue Casa ran for president, she has a fighting chance!

And we're to believe these little snobs at Yale have it so bad and there's intense racism there?  'Da fuck?  Like what more do these people want?  There will always be racism and classism and elitism and misogyny and anti-semitism and general hate.  I will say, the more this becomes a single-group thing (like only black people are experiencing this awful racism from everyone else, and Asians don't even count as a minority group because they're basically "white"), the more this stuff happens, the more it will piss more people off and frankly, it might exacerbate racism.  It's becoming too much in my opinion.  Too many asks for sheer perfection on the part of everyone, which will never happen.

you'd be surprised how much of this i agree with, but I always try to remind myself that the adversity I've seen or experienced isn't the end story.  Like here in Jax, while gays were still being killed in fag bashing incidents or dying without their parents in AIDS hospices, there was a real struggle for women trying to get equal pay or break the glass ceiling, and there was still a short period where wealthy Jewish investors (like Alexander Brest) still had to have a gentile business partner if they wanted to succeed.

Definitely not as bad as being traded as sexual property, or being the victims of genocide, but both struggles (equal pay, acceptance into the business community) were worth fighting for nonetheless, I think.

I think at Yale, the basic problem is that Yale is being marketed as a jumping point into the Meritocracy, when in fact there is no such thing at that level of wealth and exclusion.  Kids go there and find themselves faced with the same insurmountable barriers that have defined the college for 9 generations.  The only way into the circle is marriage or financial miracle.

It creates cognitive dissonance.  But then, Yale always has.

Yea, which makes it all the more pathetic that kids go to Yale thinking they'll automatically be a state senator within 15-20 years or a CEO.  A black graduate of Yale has a better chance at being hired at a prestigious law firm, bank, or into a political role than a white kid who went to Chico State.  Ok?!?!?  Like, a MUCH MUCH MUCH better chance.  That's because student A went to Yale and student B went to Chico State, it's all about the school.  A black graduate of Yale with no particular background probably has about the same chance as a white graduate of Yale with no particular background, all else being the same...Yale on a resume speaks volumes no matter who you are.  But neither has the same chance as a graduate of Yale coming from some NE dynasty (someone who by history/chance is likely to be white).  The point is, this is the way it is and has been.  This is actually often the appeal of going to Stanford versus Yale or Harvard.  Stanford is admission purely on smarts, not on background.  Less of a competition with dynasty grads.  If one were smart enough to get into Yale, that same person should be smart enough to get into Stanford.  And anyone who does any bit of research into what these schools are like and how they're different should be fully prepared to have to deal with and compete with the old-school elite at NE Ivy League schools.  This is no secret.  And it's not a race thing.  It's just that there's a club that still happens to be more white and while that's changing fairly rapidly, too, it's still about who you are and your background and that's just the way it is!  If you can't deal with that, there are hundreds of other schooling options, some just as "good" as the Ivies in the NE.

But let's make everything about race and play victim all the time.  In this day and age, it would not surprise me if there were new grads, perhaps black grads that were choosing between southern HCBUs and taking a full ride at say Yale, and choosing the latter, and expecting the culture at Yale to reflect what they saw at one of the southern HCBUs.  Never gonna' happen!  If the "cultural" aspect of it is more important to you and what you want is what you saw at Morehouse or even a Clemson, etc, then go there!  Not Yale!

I just don't get how awful it can be for these people.  I think they're just overly entitled.

[simms3]

I think teenagers and 20-somethings can be ridiculous. I also think that when they leave the nest and get a chance to experience freedom and a wider variety of opinions/cultures/whatever they can sometimes go overboard. It's all part of "finding yourself" and coming to grips with who you are. I think back to lots of stuff I did when I was that age - and I'm not necessarily talking political stuff - and I shudder. (Hell, I think back to stuff I did last week sometimes and wonder what I was thinking).

But even so, that doesn't mean that sometimes (or oftentimes) the protestors don't have a point. It's just that they go about it the wrong way. Racism still exists. Sexism does too. As do lots of other problems.

I don't know what happened in Missouri - and because of that, I won't offer an opinion on the matter. But whatever was happening on that campus was apparently bad enough (whether really bad or just perceived to be bad) to get the whole football team to down tools and refuse to play. Think about that for a second - we're talking football players, not your usual Marxists or liberals or whatever. It's not the Black Panthers or the Weathermen. It's football players. That's the one thing that actually made me wonder if my gut reaction might've been wrong.

I place no added importance or significance on their losing football team's decision not to play.  College athletes.  Are we really supposed to sympathize?!?  They often go to college on full rides, are able to take easy classes and receive A's for doing nothing, and are loved and worshiped by the entire school, pick of the litter with girls/guys, and talk about a naturally built in "safe space" as parodied on South Park and actually hearkened by these idiot protesters.  The one NFL guy who played for Missou who called these players ungrateful was right.

School had a contract with BYU and some advertising apparently and was going to have to pay $1M if the team didn't play.  I'm sure the team knew that (or perhaps the activists that paid them a visit for their support).  I'm sure the team was contacted vigorously by activist groups.  There's a whole lot else in the background too like the fundraising they did for a new stadium expansion under this former president's tenure, some healthcare plan stuff, etc.  Not to mention this is the team that produced the first openly gay NFL player (how bad could it have been?!?).  Oh boo hoo, even the poor football team felt the need to join in.  Puh leaze, this whole thing is so politicized it's ridiculous that we're weighting things now based on a college athlete's decision to join in.  Were these decisions to join in the protest even made at the student level in all cases, or was there some decision-making further up?  I'm sure there's a huge money trail and a huge trail of evidence pointing to a laundry list of items needing to be protested by faculty, administrators, and staff.  The whole thing is a mess.  The fact that the football team is in on it just makes it even more cloudy for me.  But I hate our emphasis on certain college sports.  I'm already biased.

[Tacachale]

I attended three public universities and have worked for one for the last 7 years. People who believe that universities in general aren't centers of liberalism is kidding themselves. The fact that professors lean left is borne out in study after study and survey after survey. While there are exceptions (a number of private schools tend to lean right) the academy is probably the most liberal institution in the U.S., up there with the media and the entertainment industry. In Professors and their Politics, sociologists Solon Simmons and Neil Gross report that 62% of professors self-identify as liberal, compared to only 18% saying they're middle-of-the-road and 19% saying they're conservative.

This does not mean that all or even most professors trying to "indoctrinate" their students or stymie those with opposing beliefs. It doesn't mean that all professors are liberal, let alone extremely liberal; in fact it varies from program to program; business and the hard sciences are less liberal than the humanities, for instance. It also doesn't mean that the student body necessarily reflects the beliefs of the professors. In fact, Gross has argued elsewhere that students rarely experience radical changes in their political beliefs in college.

What it does mean, however, is that academia tends to be self-selective, with students who are already liberal being the ones who  pursue that career. It means that very liberal intellectual movements and endeavors are able to gain ground in academia, even though there's limited interest outside it. And it means that liberal professors tend to groom like-minded students for advancement while deterring conservatives and moderates.

What's interesting about some of the current debates is that they're not between liberals and conservatives, but rather different factions of liberals. Safe space liberals versus free speech liberals. Pro-Palestinian liberals versus pro-Israel liberals. White progressives versus minority activists. It ain't easy to fit into a convenient narrative, but that doesn't stop some people from trying.