Murray Hill Roundabout

[mtraininjax]

Isn't Edgewood in Love's district? If that's what the constituents want, they should lobby for it.  Evidently, that's what's happening with Cassat and Jones.

Might be in Jim's district. I think the divider line is Post Street. I think you are right. How many transportation projects has Jim proposed?

Anyone thought about how the vendors and store owners will feel about the impact of construction on their businesses? By the time the construction is completed, those shops may be a ghost town, people will avoid the area like the plague, because of the construction issues. Half the street is strong, let 1171 kick in, some more stores, and see if we can get a good tenant in the Kat and wait and see how they do, before we decide to tear up the asphalt.

I don't want a roundabout at Edgewood and Plymouth, and I can tell you the heat on Jones and Love would be much greater at Post/Edgewood, even though that area would better support it with 4 REAL lanes of traffic and many more vehicles.

[Kerry]

So wait and do nothing as see how that works out.  Great plan.  How does that differ from the strategy of the last 20 years that produced what is there today?

[ProjectMaximus]

Anyone thought about how the vendors and store owners will feel about the impact of construction on their businesses? By the time the construction is completed, those shops may be a ghost town, people will avoid the area like the plague, because of the construction issues. Half the street is strong, let 1171 kick in, some more stores, and see if we can get a good tenant in the Kat and wait and see how they do, before we decide to tear up the asphalt.

Or a simple restriping as lake suggested.

[mtraininjax]

So wait and do nothing as see how that works out.  Great plan.  How does that differ from the strategy of the last 20 years that produced what is there today?

Go for it! I personally do not see the need.

Or a simple restriping as lake suggested.

Do we have a picture of this yet, or what it could look like? I know how Lake likes pictures....

[thelakelander]

I'm not saying this is what you do but here is an example of restriping.

Main Street - Pottstown, PA - Before


Main Street - Pottstown, PA - After


A DT Tampa street, shortly after restriping to add bike lanes in 2010:

[Charles Hunter]

The Tampa example was really done on the cheap.  The old lines were "removed" probably by water or sand blasting, or perhaps very localized grinding.  Problem is, at night or in the rain - and especially both - the "wrong" lines often show up better than the proper ones.  Something about the rough surface catching light better than the painted lines.

It looks like the PA example was done "right" with a new surface put down before the striping - and probably the old pavement - probably just the top surface - removed.  Of course, this costs more, and is more disruptive to traffic and adjacent businesses - but it seems safer without the confusion of "which line is which?".

[thelakelander]

^It seems like the proper thing to do would be to have some sort of plan where changes are coordinated with roadway resurfacing projects.  If coordinated, over a decade or so you'd have a pretty comprehensive complete streets network at a cost you would be paying to maintain the roadways anyway.

[JeffreyS]

^ +1 

[Kerry]

So let me ask, how does Jacksonville fund road construction and who sets the priority?

[mtraininjax]

Believe it or not, Jax Transportation Authority is the lead agency on road building of local roads. Yeah, they people in charge of the buses.

[tufsu1]

The Tampa example was really done on the cheap.  The old lines were "removed" probably by water or sand blasting, or perhaps very localized grinding.  Problem is, at night or in the rain - and especially both - the "wrong" lines often show up better than the proper ones.  Something about the rough surface catching light better than the painted lines.

The Tampa street was resurfaced a year later and the lines are now done appropriately....I think the 2010 effort was a "test"

[tufsu1]

Believe it or not, Jax Transportation Authority is the lead agency on road building of local roads. Yeah, they people in charge of the buses.

not so.  Many local roads are built and all are maintained by the City of Jacksonville

[mtraininjax]

Tufsu1 - You should mention this to JTA, since they seem to think they are in charge of spending the BJP money, here is a link to their projects. Notice who the Project Manager is often times, FDOT...

http://www.jtafla.com/Projects/showPage.aspx?Sel=50

Maintaining roads typically falls under Public Works, filling pot holes, and the like, but I am sure there is a great degree of cooperation between agencies just the same.

[Kerry]

Is BJP money the sole source of street maintenance funding?  I only ask because I don't know.

[cline]

Is BJP money the sole source of street maintenance funding?  I only ask because I don't know.

My understanding is that BJP is for capital improvements funding only so no maintenance was part of it.