SPAR revolt?

[cindi]

and hey, that gives you post 244

[ChriswUfGator]

Chris, why do you even care? So far I have seen you contribute nothing to the community on any front, and so far are a constant source of negativity. Why not take over the Southside thread?

LOL, speak of the devil! And BTW, you wanna be the pot, the kettle, or the stove on that comment?

Yeah I contribute nothing, whatever. You're great at directing attention everywhere BUT Louise's e-mails. It seems that just by not knocking down historic structures, I'm contributing more than SPAR.

And you don't see a problem with that?

actually there is another thread directed specifically at the "pile of emails".  
and just a question that was never answered, how many post do you have to register before you can post to a real topic of concern? and can those be post that just tell everyone that you have posted more post than everyone else and have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand?
perhaps since this thread has nothing to do with a spar revolt but instead "thelma and louise"  oops claude and louise it should be changed.  

Cindi, I know you're friends with Joe and all, so I'm not really going to get into it with you.

But with that said, you're another one who's absolutely great at directing attention everywhere but onto the actual point. Which, again, is Louise's own emails. She has hoisted herself on her own petard, and all you do is question the motives and statements of those who discuss that fact. And it is a fact.

Again, do you not have any issue with the positions and viewpoints coming from the director of the neighborhood's HISTORICAL PRESERVATION group? You don't think something might be a LITTLE amiss, what with broken bylaws, rigged elections, ignored preservation mandates, incestuous relationships with developers intent on tearing down historic structures, and little itty-bitty things like that?

So back to the point here, you don't have ANY problem with any of the stuff that has come out about SPAR (and straight out of the horse's mouth at that) on these forums?

[jason_contentdg]

Which makes my point mean 8x as much as you and about 1/3rd of that of Chris's if my calculations are correct.

[Dan B]

I dont think I have seen one person say SPAR is without fault. Springfield is chocked full of great big personalities, and some of the time, they run into each other. Its happened to me, I have seen it happen to many others. I have seen perfectly nice people get run over by people who mistook their intent. I have seen people swear off one organization for another, only to return again.

The beauty of free-will, is being able to take advantage and be as involved, or not, as you desire.

SPARs biggest problem is its inability to communicate effectively. This is not necessarily an issue of Louise or Clause. When we first started looking around in the community it was different set of people, and the did equally as poor a job. The organization is not set up to survive any major changes in leadership. Different leadership might be able to change it, but its not like this is a new issue.

I also agree, SPAR should re-dedicate itself to historic preservation, but I also think working on commercial corridor is important, and worth having as a focus.

I also agree it would be great if we could stop all of the bickering. How do we make that happen?

[jason_contentdg]

Well jason, you don't have to wait.  Just read the already posted material.

Too much to wade through...

[ChriswUfGator]

SPARs biggest problem is its inability to communicate effectively. This is not necessarily an issue of Louise

How can it not be, though?

At the most basic level, if my ship runs into an iceberg while I'm down in my cabin sleeping, then who's responsible?

And in this case, you don't even have to go that far! The captain is emailing everyone from here to kingdom come trying to exert back-room influence, demolish the historic structures she's supposed to be protecting, etc., etc., etc. There isn't even an argument about blaming the helmsman here, because all of these ridiculous problems spring straight from the horse's mouth!

I think any change in that (dying) organization needs to start with a change in leadership. I don't see any way the current regime (which I think is a great word for it) can possibly do anything but hinder the organization's credibility moving forward.

[strider]

Forums are apparently a contact sport in Springfield

I'm sorry, I know this contributes nothing to the thread, it is just so freakin' true. 

[Dan B]

Lets not get too crazy...

[ChriswUfGator]

Chris - it seems like whenever this thing is coming to some consensus, you dig up a post from a few pages ago and stoke it up.

Yeah, well, I don't just sit in front of this forum all day every day. I check in from time to time, and I generally pick up reading where I left off reading. That isn't generally at a post that's less than 10 minutes old.

My apologies for any appearance to the contrary, I'm not intentionally trying to stoke anything up. It's more that I just now read the posts that I responded to.

Like Jason says 100 pages of conjecture. 

Again, a total mischaracterization. The drama and issues at hand sprang straight from the horse's mouth. These emails were written by the Executive Director of the organization being discussed, there is no "he said / she said" here, and no conjecture. Louise chose her own words, and they speak for themselves.

Again, you're one of a handful of posters who repeatedly directs attention to me, to Stephen, everywhere but where it should be. Which, namely, is the content of Louise's emails.

[cindi]

Chris, why do you even care? So far I have seen you contribute nothing to the community on any front, and so far are a constant source of negativity. Why not take over the Southside thread?

LOL, speak of the devil! And BTW, you wanna be the pot, the kettle, or the stove on that comment?

Yeah I contribute nothing, whatever. You're great at directing attention everywhere BUT Louise's e-mails. It seems that just by not knocking down historic structures, I'm contributing more than SPAR.

And you don't see a problem with that?

actually there is another thread directed specifically at the "pile of emails".  
and just a question that was never answered, how many post do you have to register before you can post to a real topic of concern? and can those be post that just tell everyone that you have posted more post than everyone else and have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand?
perhaps since this thread has nothing to do with a spar revolt but instead "thelma and louise"  oops claude and louise it should be changed.  

Cindi, I know you're friends with Joe and all, so I'm not really going to get into it with you.

But with that said, you're another one who's absolutely great at directing attention everywhere but onto the actual point. Which, again, is Louise's own emails. She has hoisted herself on her own petard, and all you do is question the motives and statements of those who discuss that fact. And it is a fact.

Again, do you not have any issue with the positions and viewpoints coming from the director of the neighborhood's HISTORICAL PRESERVATION group? You don't think something might be a LITTLE amiss, what with broken bylaws, rigged elections, ignored preservation mandates, incestuous relationships with developers intent on tearing down historic structures, and little itty-bitty things like that?

So back to the point here, you don't have ANY problem with any of the stuff that has come out about SPAR (and straight out of the horse's mouth at that) on these forums?

i have huge problems with a lot of spar stuff.  this post was started prior to the "spargate" email - there is a totally separate thread that deals with the thelma and louise emails.  and as i did state in my previous post in THIS thread which dealt with a "revolt", if anyone actually thinks that you or anyone else is going to get an apology from them (anyone at SPAR) you have obviously been using some of what the guy at the corner of 7th and perry is selling.  same applies to the thoughts of them changing anything about the way they do things and who they "partner" with.  it won't happen, not now not ever - not sure why this is such a hard concept for people to grasp.  
there are obviously a butt load of people that have posted to this that have great ideas, tons of experienceand solutions to making a bigger better organization, not sure what is stopping a new group from forming. i would assume it's not the fear of failure, after all - could they do worse?
gee, does this make me post number 33 or 34??

[Dan B]

Thats 32, dearest newbie, and "Thelma and Louise"... Hilarious. 

I actually agree with Cindi. Maybe it is time to start a preservation based organization. Or maybe Join the Springfield Womans Club. The Springfield Improvement Association wing of the womans club was, last I heard, all about preservation.

Seems like a good place to start. there may already BE a 501(C)3 set up with common goals and ideals.

SPAR will go through a change when Louise decides to stop taking the beatings, and takes her toys and goes home. Until that point, I just dont think that a whole lot will happen in that department. Deposing Louise at this point would be like FSU firing Bobby Bowden. I suppose it could happen, but I wouldnt bet on it, and wringing my hands over it isnt the best use of my time.

[Sportmotor]

No one is that important. 

I am 

[nvrenuf]

jth.

Being a vapid little dick isnt goint to make your job any easier.

...

Dude if your going to be the retail coordinator for SPAR (urban planning degree and all) you are going to have to stop coming off like a 16 year old vixen co starring with Rose McGowan in something.  Its not very impressive.

What was that you were saying to Dan B about personal attacks?

[sheclown]

What's the deal with the Springfield Improvement Association?  Would they be willing to take on the preservation situation?

[jason_contentdg]

What about this SHARP group, they've got a nice capital "P" there at the end.