The Jacksonville Jaguars

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Of the three Jaguar's QBs I saw play last night, I would put Bortles at #3 on the depth chart.

Why because he was 3/5 with a dropped pass and a throwaway through the back of the endzone?

or because he only played 14 snaps that were mostly designed to showcase Fournette (9 runs / 5 passes)?

or because he didn't connect on any deep routes against 2nd and 3rd stringers?

Help me out with your logic.

[Snaketoz]

Of the three Jaguar's QBs I saw play last night, I would put Bortles at #3 on the depth chart.

Why because he was 3/5 with a dropped pass and a throwaway through the back of the endzone?

or because he only played 14 snaps that were mostly designed to showcase Fournette (9 runs / 5 passes)?

or because he didn't connect on any deep routes against 2nd and 3rd stringers?
Help me out with your logic.

I feel that he ran the plays that more closely match his abilities.  Handing off to a back, only playing 14 snaps to keep from boring everyone, and protecting his delicate ego.  Can't you say that the other two QBs had to play with lesser people in supporting roles? I'm sure you being being MJs leading critic, you know more than anyone else, and I shouldn't have an opinion.  However, as I said, I would put Bortles 3rd on the depth chart.  I hope I'm wrong, as I am a Jaguar fan, but I think (my opinion) Bortles will be 3rd on most fan's depth charts by mid season.  But what do I know?  I'm not a Westsider.

[BridgeTroll]

Marquis Lee carted off the practice field today...

[I-10east]

Also Fournette had a foot injury. I heard that both Lee's and Fournette's injuries weren't serious.

[Snaketoz]

Also Fournette had a foot injury. I heard that both Lee's and Fournette's injuries weren't serious.

That is good news!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

SMM, have you got that neighbor kid's number, we might need it after the 2 pick 6s from BB5 today.

And Snake, I'm no more an expert on here than anyone else (other than SMM, but he's a Pats fan, so he at least gets points for creative cheating).  I don't think I ever insinuated that you can't have an opinion.  I don't think I ever said you were even wrong.  All I asked were a few questions why.

It's a cop out to say someone sucks or that we need this guy.  Give us some reasons, (wo)man(?). 

[Snaketoz]

And Snake, I'm no more an expert on here than anyone else (other than SMM, but he's a Pats fan, so he at least gets points for creative cheating).  I don't think I ever insinuated that you can't have an opinion.  I don't think I ever said you were even wrong.  All I asked were a few questions why.

It's a cop out to say someone sucks or that we need this guy.  Give us some reasons, (wo)man(?).

I haven't copped out.  I never said anyone "sucked", or "we need this guy".  I said I would put Bortles 3rd on the QB depth chart.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I said I would put Bortles 3rd on the QB depth chart.

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[mtraininjax]

Also Fournette had a foot injury. I heard that both Lee's and Fournette's injuries weren't serious.

And Ivory has an "undisclosed" injury. Here we go again in 2017.

[Snaketoz]

I said I would put Bortles 3rd on the QB depth chart.

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OK Westside, Here are a few reasons I don't think Bortles is an answer for the Jaguars.

1. He has only won 2 road games in his NFL career.

2. 3 Offensive coaches have been installed to help make him a better player and salvage what little credibility the Jaguars have in keeping him.

3. Only 5 of his touchdowns have come when the Jaguars were leading in the game.

4. More than half of his TDs have been in garbage time when the Jags were down by more than a touchdown.

5. In the fourth quarter of games that the Jags are actually in a position to win, Bortles has thrown seven touchdowns against eight picks?

6. In the past 2 seasons, during the first half, Bortles has thrown 20 TDs and 19 interceptions, and only 27 completions over 25  yards.

7. The Jaguar front office has given Bortles a bye never seen at any other position, especially one as important as QB.  They picked-up the 5th year option for Blake at the tune of $19 million.

8. I believe Bortles hasn't done anything to deserve the chances he's gotten. He should have to COMPETE to be starter.

9. He has negatively affected the otherwise talented receiving corps of the Jaguars.

10. Bortles' completion percentage is 58.8

[Steve]

7. The Jaguar front office has given Bortles a bye never seen at any other position, especially one as important as QB.  They picked-up the 5th year option for Blake at the tune of $19 million.

I'm not going to respond to all of these, and I'm not sure whether or not Bortles is the answer or not. With that said, I'll give you two QBs to counter this point: Alex Smith and Joey Harrington.

Smith went through Six Offensive Systems in Six years, and most people thought he was done. He's now with the Chiefs, and while no one thinks he's going to challenge Manning or Brady, he's made himself into a pretty good QB.

Harrington was sort of the same thing in Detroit, though less Offensive Systems. History shows he wasn't a good candidate to dump money into.

Though there are more examples in both directions, I present these two to show that Bortles investment (adjusted a little for NFL Salary inflation; percentage of the salary cap would be a much truer measure) is hardly unprecedented for a QB with this limited success.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Thank you.  It's just really tough to have a discussion when I have no clue why.

I agree with you on quite a few of those.

I don't think he's negatively affected the WRs.  I think once opposing teams got some tape on Hurns and Robinson, they were able to adjust.  Those 50/50 balls that got Blake and ARob all those yards 2 years ago weren't there last year.  Which is why Lee had more of a breakout year.

I'm still on the fence whether or not the coaches actually helped Bortles or hurt.  He'll have Hackett for the second year this year, so that's a TBD in my book.

We haven't been able to efficiently run the ball since MJD left.  Running the ball and keeping the clock moving is what wins games in the 4th quarter.  3 and outs, INTs and Pick-6s... not so much.

I was all for drafting a QB this year.  Watson was my preferred choice, but not at 4.  I'm tired of us getting 'projects' though.  Garrard was a 'project'.  Gabbert was a 'project'.  Bortles was a 'project'.   So far they've all been forced into the starting role earlier than planned and none of them outside of Garrard have even remotely worked out for us.  Henne was supposed to be the stud from Miami and he's been rather pedestrian, too.  But I don't feel like there's any QBs out there that really make us better.  Different flavors, but same bullshit. 

Which is why I'm on board with Bortles being given all the rope he can handle.  If he hangs himself with it so be it.

[ProjectMaximus]

6. In the past 2 seasons Bortles has thrown 20 TDs and 19 interceptions, and only 27 completions over 25  yards.

Can you explain this? I tried but can't really decipher what you're saying.

[thelakelander]

LOL at Henne being viewed as a stud. There was a reason he got shipped out of Miami.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

LOL at Henne being viewed as a stud. There was a reason he got shipped out of Miami.

Injury if I'm not mistaken.  You're the Fins fan, though.