Hemming Park Beautification

[jlmann]

oh itll still happen dt, but if you don't provide a centralized gathering spot for the worst of jax to scheme together on acquiring street drugs it certainly will help

[vicupstate]

oh itll still happen dt, but if you don't provide a centralized gathering spot for the worst of jax to scheme together on acquiring street drugs it certainly will help

You don't think they would just do the same thing elsewhere DT?  You aren't solving a problem, you are only increasing the burden of the problem by making HP more inhospitable to others.   

[Adam White]

...if you don't provide a centralized gathering spot for the worst of jax to scheme together on acquiring street drugs it certainly will help

Don't drag the City Council into this...

[jlmann]

You don't think they would just do the same thing elsewhere DT?  You aren't solving a problem, you are only increasing the burden of the problem by making HP more inhospitable to others.   

yes I do.  but if they gathered instead in the "park" behind the library that would be a lot better. or find some vacant lot down on church or Ashley.

the suggestion that these actions are increasing the problems of hemming is...hmmm.....false.

curious how many times you been down there in the last few years?

[Jim]

They will gather where the people are.  Even if you push their sleeping quarters down a few blocks, they will still converged on where the people are.

You don't solve the problem by simultaneously pushing them out elsewhere and reducing value/use for visitors.

[Tacachale]

Honestly I don't remember ever being panhandled in Hemming even when there were big crowds. It mostly happens on the streets. And I freaking hate being panhandled.

[jaxjaguar]

The last time I was in Jax a group of younger vagrants began yelling at me and the group I was with, near the skyway station in hemming. They shouted some pretty terrible things and we just tried to get out of the area as quickly as possible because they seemed like they might get violent.

  The only solution would be to move all of the shelters out of the core and pick up people and move them out of the area to a place where they couldn't use public transit to easily get back. Of course this will never happen because it's unethical.

[jlmann]

not unusual jaxjaguar and exactly what I'm trying to get through the heads of people who never visit and think its a bunch of peaceful folks down on their luck.  the long time regular guys playing chess and cards keep to themselves- no issue from them and I have no issue with them.  its the manic methheads and young pissed off dudes coming off heroin that are the problem

Of course this will never happen because it's unethical.

well agree to disagree, but that'd be the perfect solution for dt.  god forbid someone with absolutely zero to do has to make 2-3 transfers on a bus they don't pay for in order to get from receiving free stuff to the park of their choosing

[Adam White]

not unusual jaxjaguar and exactly what I'm trying to get through the heads of people who never visit and think its a bunch of peaceful folks down on their luck.

I've not spent any real time downtown in over ten years. But I used to work downtown and never had a problem. I just ignored everybody and no one ever really bothered me.

Never been solicited for a handjob, either - I'll try not to take that too personally.

[lastdaysoffla]

I don't understand why First Baptist Church doesn't have a bigger part to play in aiding the homeless. They have that huge campus and isn't charity somewhere in their mission statement?

[thelakelander]

Speaking of FBC....

The Mathis Report: First Baptist applies for Nocatee campus permit

First Baptist Church of Jacksonville submitted a permit application to build a $10 million church in Nocatee.

Perry-McCall Construction is the contractor for the almost 41,000-square-foot project at 1770 Valley Ridge Blvd.

CDH Partners of Marietta, Georgia, designed the project, shown on plans with a worship center, classrooms, pre-school, offices, catering kitchen, café and spaces for other functions.

Plans also indicate a playground and playing fields.

In February, First Baptist Church said it was awaiting the donations it needs to break ground on the satellite campus, which will be its South Campus.

Judson Leverette, director of business administration for Downtown-based First Baptist, said then that leaders continue to work on architectural plans for First Baptist Church Nocatee.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-mathis-report-first-baptist-applies-for-nocatee-campus-permit

[remc86007]

Maybe not? The homeless are notoriously bad tithers...



On a more serious note; I found this: http://www.fbcjax.com/downtown/ministries/local-missions

[jlmann]

Maybe not? The homeless are notoriously bad tithers...

haha exactly- FBC is a business.  hard to monetize jesus when youre actually obeying his commands and whatnot

"clothe the middle and upper middle class with a high relative standard of living.  feed those who can feed themselves well already.  provide programs for their kids so they also shall come and give you money in time."

that's in the bible right?

[FlaBoy]

Maybe not? The homeless are notoriously bad tithers...



On a more serious note; I found this: http://www.fbcjax.com/downtown/ministries/local-missions

I know people from FBC that regularly go out and serve the homeless and partner with groups all across DT. Please don't talk, or search a website for a vague term like charity, and then make judgments. Due diligence my friend.

http://www.fbcjax.com/downtown/ministries/local-missions/

I friend of mine literally goes around helping kids who were in sex slavery through Florida Baptist Children's Homes here in Jacksonville. Trinity Rescue Mission is also closely affiliated with First Baptist and was founded by another Southern Baptist church here in town.

[Adam White]

Maybe not? The homeless are notoriously bad tithers...



On a more serious note; I found this: http://www.fbcjax.com/downtown/ministries/local-missions

I know people from FBC that regularly go out and serve the homeless and partner with groups all across DT. Please don't talk, or search a website for a vague term like charity, and then make judgments. Due diligence my friend.

http://www.fbcjax.com/downtown/ministries/local-missions/

I friend of mine literally goes around helping kids who were in sex slavery through Florida Baptist Children's Homes here in Jacksonville. Trinity Rescue Mission is also closely affiliated with First Baptist and was founded by another Southern Baptist church here in town.

Do they do any of those things without trying to talk about "god" or "jesus" to the people they are "helping"? Is it motivated by concern for human suffering or evangelism?