Roost Cafe and Coffee shop trying to open on Oak St?

[Adam White]

no one has attacked folks concerned about QOL.  But it is equally uncool to libel, slander, lie about and intentionally spread fear, hatred and discontent about commercial landowners who are also concerned with quality of life.

I think the issue here is that two different groups of people can measure quality of life differently. It can mean different things to different people.

I do think Kay (and you) are kind of making the same point and I think it's valid in each case - both sides of the argument probably need to tone down the rhetoric. But people get worked up over stuff they care about, so it's not really unexpected.

[JaxAvondale]

Why are you guys getting so personal here?  Property owners have a right to weigh in on rezonings.  And no property owner has an automatic right to rezone.  They have a right to apply for a rezoning. 

What is wrong with residents opposing a rezoning to a higher level of intensity where they live? 

Where do you live JLMann?

But they don't have a right to lie, slander, libel and fear monger in the course of disagreeing over zoning. Thats really the issue.  People can't stop turning these things into 'any means necessary' mud fights and its why people don't feel like residents groups can be trusted with 'overlays'.

They keep turning them into tax payer funded HOAs.

I have attended a few meetings and the 'any means necessary' fights from the opposition are tiresome.

[Gators312]

Park and Forbes is quite a ways away so that this restaurant will not impact you.

And it won't impact many of those who are supporting and funding PROUD's antics.  So I'm not sure how jlmann supporting the developer is any different. 

[mtraininjax]

You bought there.  Or you chose to live there.  Put on your big boy pants and realize the world around you sometimes changes.

The residents did choose to live there, in fact they were cool with a 60 seat cafe, so was RAP, so was the council member in the district. People were cool with a small cafe, the street had small cafes in the past and supported them before with Judson's down the street at Barrs and Oak and the bakery that moved down to 5-Points.  People were COOL the small change that was coming.

Then Roost exploded to 150 seats.....you are darn right everything changed. Capitalism is alive and well, sure Roost needs to make as much as possible, but there, at that location, after the neighborhood was good with the change? I can see the points on both sides.

Just as Valentino compromised, Stein will eventually compromise. Or he can always move to St. Johns Village Center and it has a huge parking lot albeit a hole and fence around the spot the firetruck fell through the pavement, but hey, its ready!

[mtraininjax]

Valentino didn't 'compromise'.  We Love Avondale didn't want him opening at all.  They lost. Why rewrite the history here?  I mean I get it, you should turn lemons into lemonade, but this is a stretch.  Its turning lemons into rocket fuel.

Stephen, I know you are not going to like me telling you that you are wrong, but I will.

Valentino - look at the old plans, wanted to build the beer garden and make MM 2 levels. He wanted outside music as well, all were nixed. He wanted some other stuff, but he did get to open, at least I think that the old gas station is gone, so he got his way with some stuff and not others. I show that as compromise. WLA members are still in the neighborhood, Avondale has not been destroyed because of it, in fact, it is thriving.

Its great that RAP and Love were cool with the idea, but should the handful of truly affected residents being "cool" with something really be the standard?

This ain't the southside or some po-dunk HOA with iron gates at the front of it, if the residents want to get up in arms, all the power to them. Good to see civil disorder, shows that the neighborhood is alive and passionate.

[Know Growth]

Valentino didn't 'compromise'.  We Love Avondale didn't want him opening at all.  They lost. Why rewrite the history here?  I mean I get it, you should turn lemons into lemonade, but this is a stretch.  Its turning lemons into rocket fuel.

Rather stunning lack of insight, news and information.

Had you been involved with We Love Avondale inner workings you would have been privy to the negotiations and events.

WLA leaders such as Susan Fraser,former Clay County planning director (all the while residing in Avondale..... ) so well versed on Application process,reminded WLA members to not focus on 'like' or 'dislike' of a venue but rather,focus on the mechanics of the application substantial deviation held to the Citizen's Land Use & Zone/Overlay standards.
Not so much a matter of opposing something but rather,defending the Overlay.

WLA enjoyed strong 'standing' and legal position and was poised to effectively Appeal if necessary.I recall one resident announcing hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal support if need be.

We said "Know" to 'Growth'. Nothing different than Request for Deviation anywhere else in the region other than the fact that in Avondale,the process faced Citizens that possessed the propensity and ability to knowledgeably engage.

St Johns Village/Arden LLC  same.

[Know Growth]

yawn

yea....most threads go that route by 18 pages.
No wonder so many involved give MJ a collective Yawn.

[cline]

"WLA leaders such as Susan Fraser,former Clay County planning director"


So one of the WLA leaders is the person who helped bring us Blanding Blvd and its associated development? Not sure that bolsters the organization's credibility. Yikes. Not exactly progressive planning...or planning at all for that matter.

[mtraininjax]

true. if only someone would tell our readers that. The numbers just keep going up.

LOL, you love the free SEO, so don't complain about it!

[Captain Zissou]

As Roost Restaurants LLC continues working through zoning challenges for its proposed Riverside location, it is moving ahead with plans for a restaurant near San Marco.
The Local is expected to open June 1, said partner Ted Stein.

"We wanted to be as close to the neighborhood as possible. Being a part of the communities we serve is a core belief of ours," he said.

Roost Restaurants applied for permits to renovate space in Shops of Granada at 4578 San Jose Blvd., just off Hendricks Avenue. It is in the Miramar and Granada area.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=549119

[Know Growth]

Alice in RAPLand

[JHAT76]

As Roost Restaurants LLC continues working through zoning challenges for its proposed Riverside location, it is moving ahead with plans for a restaurant near San Marco.
The Local is expected to open June 1, said partner Ted Stein.

"We wanted to be as close to the neighborhood as possible. Being a part of the communities we serve is a core belief of ours," he said.

Roost Restaurants applied for permits to renovate space in Shops of Granada at 4578 San Jose Blvd., just off Hendricks Avenue. It is in the Miramar and Granada area.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=549119

SNAP fitness sent an e-mail to members on January 9 stating they are implementing an enhancement fee with the following: "we have the approval to expand into next door to add 2000 more square feet to our current facility. This fee will help pay for new equipment and help replace some equipment in our existing that may need a facelift."

Only space next door to SNAP would be the proposed Roost space?

[thelakelander]

Update:

Stein and Demetree have been battling with area residents near The Roost's proposed location at 2216 Oak St., the site of the former Deluxe Laundry and Dry Cleaners, since they first filed a Planned Unit Development (PUD) application with the city in October 2015.

Residents are concerned about additional traffic and parking issues The Roost would bring.

On May 3, Stein said the judge threw out a resident's appeal for The Roost, so he and Demetree have to wait 30 days to see if that resident will file another appeal.

"If they don't appeal, we'll move on," Demetree said.

Full article: http://jacksonville.com/business/food-and-dining/entertainment/2017-05-05/owners-roost-open-another-new-restaurant-summer

[JaxAvondale]

It is terrible how long this project has been delayed.

[lastdaysoffla]

Via @thelocaljax instagram: they will be opening on July 5th!