2008 Atlantic hurricane season

[gatorback]

Doesn't matter where they are, or who put them in place, doesn't even matter what kind of disaster overtakes them, the question remains the same, does this give big government the right to seize land, homes etc?

I think the key word there is *land*.  I think it's wet sand at least every 8 hours or so and from what they are thinking, it is going to sand for a very long time.  Should we let people build in an unsafe area?  Should we send out the troops everytime Peter, Paul and Mary want to spark on up some magestic night at a party house in the ocean when the tide rises?

[BridgeTroll]

I was/we were talking specifically about the barrier islands and their role in protecting the mainland... not lakes, swamps, volcanos, or fault lines.

My point too, frankly laid bare in the next post or two. If we are going to ding Texans for their homes and land in a natural disaster area, then what of Florida? Oklahoma? California? and other sitting ducks? We all have some sort of loaded gun pointed at our head by the clock of mother nature. I just don't see the benefit in chasing the people and the $$ away. So sorry, didn't know I wasn't allowed to play here.

I remember back about 20-30 years ago, some hurricane cut a new channel right across these islands? or perhaps it was a peninsular? Anyway, what had once been land, was now very deep water and an inlet to the sea. Certainly you couldn't rebuild on that ground. A survey would have found it to be sea bottom.

Barrier Islands are also found off the Coast of California, some are natural and others are man-made. Both types are either shpping terminals or oil refinerys/wells/storage. Solar energy, wind energy or even drill rigs could go in and boost the islands overall bulk.

Close to the California mainland, yet worlds apart, Channel Islands National Park encompasses five remarkable islands (Anacapa, Santa Cruz, Santa Rosa, San Miguel, and Santa Barbara) and their ocean environment, preserving and protecting a wealth of natural and cultural resources. Isolation over thousands of years has created unique animals, plants, and archeological resources found nowhere else on Earth and helped preserve a place where visitors can experience coastal southern California as it once was.

Doesn't matter where they are, or who put them in place, doesn't even matter what kind of disaster overtakes them, the question remains the same, does this give big government the right to seize land, homes etc?

OCKLAWAHA

Your point illustrates my doubt that anything will change... the hardest part is consensus... and we will never get it.  The Dutch act as one because they are all threatened by the sea.  We will let em rebuild, await the next hurricane, ad infinitum.... until they are washed away forever and the sea takes aim at the mainland... ces't la vie... blahblahblah

[gatorback]

We've got waves!  Off the coast of africa a wave has rolled off.  Then around the Antilles so keep an eye out

[gatorback]

TS Kyle just formed.  I don't have the specifics but look like Kyle could become a nasty hurricane before making a US landfall.

[reednavy]

It'll bring strong nor'easter conditions to New England at most, at current projections. While the low off the Carolina Coast continues high waves and higher tides. The St. Johns will continue with higher than normal tides for many weeks due to the river still flowing Fay's water, but in addition to the new moon, and this northeasterly wind fetch as well.

[Jason]

Has the river crested anywhere?

[reednavy]

Has the river crested anywhere?

It crested several weeks ago, but it takes so long for this "river" to drain. With this wind fetch, the river is backing up again, and spilling it's banks.

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN JACKSONVILLE HAS EXTENDED THE

* HYDROLOGIC ADVISORY FOR RAPID RIVER RISES IN...
  NORTHEASTERN CLAY COUNTY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA...
  THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...ORANGE PARK...LAKESIDE...
  EASTERN DUVAL COUNTY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA...
  THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...MAYPORT...MANDARIN...DOWNTOWN
  JACKSONVILLE...ARLINGTON...
  WESTERN FLAGLER COUNTY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA...
  EASTERN PUTNAM COUNTY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA...
  THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...PALATKA...EAST PALATKA...
  WESTERN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA...
  EXTREME EASTERN MARION COUNTY IN NORTHERN FLORIDA...

* UNTIL 530 PM EDT TODAY

THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER LEVELS REMAIN ELEVATED DUE TO EAST TO
NORTHEAST FLOW FROM A FEW DAYS AGO THAT HAS RESULTED IN BACKING
OCEAN WATER INTO THE RIVER. THE RIVER GAGE AT ASTOR IS LIKELY TO BE
NEAR MODERATE FLOODING TODAY. OTHER GAGES IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA
CONTINUE TO SHOW RIVER LEVELS ABOUT 1 TO 2 FEET ABOVE NORMAL VALUES.

WINDS WILL GRADUALLY BECOME MORE WEST TODAY AND SOUTHERLY INTO THE
WEEKEND...THUS BACKWATER FROM THE ATLANTIC INTO THE ST. JOHNS RIVER
WILL SUBSIDE. HOWEVER...THE NORTHWARD FLOW OF THE RIVER WILL
CONTINUE ELEVATED RIVER LEVELS SEVERAL DAYS.

RESIDENTS ALONG THE ST JOHNS RIVER AND ITS TRIBUTARIES FROM DOWNTOWN
JACKSONVILLE SOUTHWARD TO DOCTORS LAKE...PALATKA AND GEORGETOWN WILL
CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE SEVERAL FEET OF RIVER FLOODING AND OBSERVE
SOME SUBMERGED DOCKS THROUGH FRIDAY AND POSSIBLY THE WEEKEND.
RESIDENTS MAY WISH TO MOVE UNSECURED OBJECTS NEAR THE RIVER BANKS TO
HIGHER GROUND.

[gatorback]

Subtropical Storm Laura?  What the heck is Laura going to be doing to the waters of the St. Johns River? Anything?

[Jason]

Laura is WAY WAY out there.  Don't think it will have much of an effect.

[gatorback]

Kyle in Canada?     When was the last time that happened?  Has it ever happened?

[apvbguy]

Kyle in Canada?     When was the last time that happened?  Has it ever happened?

yes it has happened before, it is unusual but it's not unprecedented

[Doctor_K]

Laura is east of Nova Scotia and is riding the Gulf Stream to Ireland and Britain, it seems. 

Atlantic is pretty quiet otherwise.  Wonder if we'll get any more...

[Ocklawaha]

Big ol mass over the islands West of Africa, might form up into something. This could be a killer late season storm, or maybe just fade into a blip on the radar. NWS is watching it with consternation.

OCKLAWAHA

[gatorback]

Laura is east of Nova Scotia ...

Nova Scotia?  Let me see.  Isn't Nova Scotia near the artic circle?  How often do TS, ST, or Hurricanes hit the artic or near artic cirle?

[Ocklawaha]

Gatorback, seems to me they get something most of the time... Not the full heat fed mess we get, but the remains which get over the cold ocean water, then release fantastic seas, and very heavy rains. Thus the term "Graveyard of the Atlantic".

Autumn weather is baffling â€" do you dress for summer or wrap up warm for winter? This weekend temperatures topped 20C (68F) in glorious sunshine and it was difficult to believe that this was late September. But today everything is changing as a depression moves in and lashes Britain with rain and cold winds from the Arctic.

The weather is even more confusing in Canada, where Hurricane Kyle struck Nova Scotia and New Brunswick yesterday. Though hurricanes rarely vent their full fury on Canada, the eastern region can suffer tropical storms as they sweep up from the south. The storms usually exhaust their energy in the cooler northern waters, but they can still unleash huge amounts of rain and violent winds.

The most destructive tropical storm in Canadian history was Hurricane Hazel in October 1954. It carved a devastating path through the Caribbean, North Carolina and northwards towards the Great Lakes. Because the storm sped rapidly overland it managed to keep its hurricane strength. Canadian weather forecasters underestimated the storm when it struck on the night of October 15. It tore through the heart of Toronto with 124km/h (77mph) winds and about 210mm (8.27in) of rain, washing away entire streets in wild, rushing waters. Houses were ripped from their foundations, 20 bridges were destroyed and 81 people were killed. The damage cost about $1 billion in today’s money.

Toronto is now a far larger city and a similar storm today would be catastrophic. But as a result of Hazel, parts of Toronto’s floodplain were turned over to parkland to help to control future floods.

OCKLAWAHA