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gatorback

#270
September 17, 2008, 11:45:03 AM
Some 2.6 million people in Texas are having to make do without power after Hurricane Ike hit the Gulf Coast last Saturday. According to officials, only 700000 of them now have their electricity again.

Ike seriously has challenged my understanding of a Cat. 2 hurricane.  Even I never dreamed a 2 could do all that. 
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

BridgeTroll

#271
September 17, 2008, 11:54:31 AM
Quote from: gatorback on September 17, 2008, 07:25:46 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 17, 2008, 07:10:22 AM
My view is that the homes left standing should be allowed to stay until they are destroyed in the next storm.  The rest should not be replaced and the area be allowed to return to beach and dunes...

$.02

That land is way to valuable ie tax revenue to be just sand dont you think

Considering what happened there in a Cat 2 hurricane... no.  If the tax revenue for the city is the issue the city should insure the new structures against hurricane and flood.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

gatorback

#272
September 17, 2008, 12:09:46 PM
Wait.  Are you seriously suggestion that the city prevent land owners from developing their property because of a little wind and water damage? Lol. 
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

BridgeTroll

#273
September 17, 2008, 12:12:47 PM
Quote from: gatorback on September 17, 2008, 12:09:46 PM
Wait.  Are you seriously suggestion that the city prevent land owners from developing their property because of a little wind and water damage? Lol. 


I am only referencing the area portrayed in the pictures provided by Lunican.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

gatorback

#274
September 17, 2008, 12:33:13 PM
I don't think we should prevent building because of a 100 year storm.  I hear what you are saying...that we should'nt keep paying for water damage over and over again. 
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

BridgeTroll

#275
September 17, 2008, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: gatorback on September 17, 2008, 12:33:13 PM
I don't think we should prevent building because of a 100 year storm.  I hear what you are saying...that we should'nt keep paying for water damage over and over again. 

Well if GW is a coming threat and catastrophies like this drain federal and insurance resources we should begin abandoning these areas as they are wiped out.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#276
September 17, 2008, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: stephendare on September 17, 2008, 12:40:10 PM
Either that or take a holiday to the Netherlands for a crash course.

Netherlands has decided to fortify its coastline with dikes, dams, tidal control.  They really cannot afford to retreat inland as we can.  The barrier islands here in the states should not be redeveloped... perhaps they should shored up as barriers to future hurricanes...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Jason

#277
September 17, 2008, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 17, 2008, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: stephendare on September 17, 2008, 12:40:10 PM
Either that or take a holiday to the Netherlands for a crash course.

Netherlands has decided to fortify its coastline with dikes, dams, tidal control.  They really cannot afford to retreat inland as we can.  The barrier islands here in the states should not be redeveloped... perhaps they should shored up as barriers to future hurricanes...


The barrier islands (before they were developed) were natural defenses against storm surge.

BridgeTroll

#278
September 17, 2008, 01:08:03 PM
There are many... here are two links.  From Florida to Northward there are barrier islands... the Gulf coast is littered with them.  Unfortunately we have foolishly developed them.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/of01-303/island.html

http://www.livescience.com/environment/080912-barrier-islands.html
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#279
September 17, 2008, 01:10:04 PM
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

apvbguy

#280
September 17, 2008, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: stephendare on September 17, 2008, 01:25:16 PM
wow tremendous insight.

How do the barrier islands protect against damage?

do you need a geology lesson too?
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jacksonvilleconfidential

#281
September 17, 2008, 01:44:05 PM
Do it apvguy
Sarcastic and Mean Spirited

BridgeTroll

#282
September 17, 2008, 01:53:42 PM
http://science.howstuffworks.com/barrier-island.htm

Barrier islands, sometimes called barrier spits, are found on coastlines all over the world, but are most noticeable along the eastern coast of North America, where they extend from New England down the Atlantic Coast, around the Gulf of Mexico and south to Mexico.

Barrier islands are long, narrow, offshore deposits of sand or sediments that parallel the coast line. Some barrier islands can extend for 100 miles (160 km) or more. The islands are separated from the main land by a shallow sound, bay or lagoon.

In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Jason

#284
September 17, 2008, 02:08:00 PM
Definitely part of the problem.  To build those houses the dune structure is leveled or at least severely altered.  The dunes on these barrier islands are what protect the inland areas from the storm surge.  Areas along inlets are still subject to the surge, but the impacts ar far lass.  When the dunes are removed or leveled there is no protection left to prevent the ocean from easily overtaking the island and eventually the mainland (intracoastal) waterfront on the other side.
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