Gov. Rick Scott Scolded at Gainesville Starbucks

[Cayotica@icloud.com]

Medicaid, a state program for the poor and underemployed, main concern is the children. When I was laid off because of illness there wasn't a single medicaid program I qualified for, my children however did qualify and received better medical care than I could ever get them under my employer's medical plan. Did I care that I didn't qualify, not just no, but hell no! As I said before medicare was never meant to be given to adults as a right. What I saw in the video was a Laptop computer and what looked like to a healthy, young, white woman. Get a JOB your argument that there aren't any is pure B.S.! If the jobs aren't  in Gainville go to where they are. In your defence you say you can't get a job...... Maybe it's you mouth and attitude holding you back.

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch sister and nobody owes you anything.

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You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.

So the left wing did all these things?

People who identify as Liberals, yes.

[Adam White]

You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.

So the left wing did all these things?

People who identify as Liberals, yes.

Liberals are not left wing.

[TheCat]

its pretty common actually.  with one crucial difference: the Right Wing is violent whereas the Left wing is shouty.

And really, the intent to intimidate all possible criticism by threats, intimidation, violence and sheer out and out bullying has become synonymous with the right wing backers of Donald Trump.  They wholly own the trademark at this point.

You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.

But alas, this is getting into a pissing match (and part of the problem I was talking about & the cancer that is the forums). I don't understand why if some of you can recognize the lunatics on the right, you can't do the same for the left. Why is that? Is it really that hard to admit?? Because I'll tell you right now those Trump people who are violent are total idiots.

Now you go.

Well, I did. I said abhorrent behavior can come from all sides of the political spectrum. Do you want me to say that people on the left can be violent? Okay. Maybe you should post a link to the ignored mizzou professor calling out for "muscle" as your example of left-leaning bad behavior?

I'm curious about the instances you mention, were these left-leaning political rallies that got out of hand? Did someone conduct an exit survey after a city block was burned and ask the arsonist to identify their political views? Do we know how often these people vote, and if they do which party they're supporting? I didn't realize yuppy ivory tower liberals were so violent. Oh, is that not the stereotype we're rolling within this thread?

You know, it's the tea party-esque right that recently took over a federal facility with guns and were willing to go into shootout mode if necessary.

This isn't a moot discussion. There is a clear distinction in the political mainstreams. One popular political segment is certainly more prone to violence than the rest.

Which brings me back to one of my initial points, there is a special kind of irony for thinking this woman is uncouth when Scott has endorsed Donald Trump. What's worse, PSU, maybe not you, but those who are on the right who are dismayed by Trump will still vote for him.

[Adam White]

I'm curious about the instances you mention, were these left-leaning political rallies that got out of hand? Did someone conduct an exit survey after a city block was burned and ask the arsonist to identify their political views?

Dark skin = liberal.

Just like how scary refugees are somehow the flip side to a redneck gun nut in Jacksonville being shot by her toddler.

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You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.

So the left wing did all these things?

People who identify as Liberals, yes.

thats sounds like a qualification.... would you care to provide some links to what you are talking about?

They're as part of the left wing as the bully Trump supporters (you guys are using as examples) are of the right wing. And you're deflecting.

But yes, I'll get you some links. Although this stuff is easily found by simple searches.

I'm curious about the instances you mention, were these left-leaning political rallies that got out of hand? Did someone conduct an exit survey after a city block was burned and ask the arsonist to identify their political views?

Dark skin = liberal.

Isn't it interesting your mind automatically goes to race? Very tolerant, very progressive. Let me know your trigger words or phrases & I'll try to refrain from using them.

Actually, the BLM movement has its roots in the Ferguson, Baltimore, etc, um, "demonstrations" lets call them. If you don't wanna say flat out they're Liberals, that's fine (even though most have gone on record of "feelin the Bern" & the left are courting them heavily), but if you think any of them are voting Rep for anyone anywhere then you're def delusional.

[Adam White]

You really believe this? Because all the things I mentioned & more (the hitting cops with bricks, spitting on people who you oppose, throwing a disabled dude out of his wheelchair who wasn't even doing anything, huge mobs infiltrating private ticketed rallies just to start shit, burning entire city blocks down, rushing stages to do God knows what, etc) has been from those who call themselves liberals. Bit more than shouting there.

So the left wing did all these things?

People who identify as Liberals, yes.

thats sounds like a qualification.... would you care to provide some links to what you are talking about?

They're as part of the left wing as the bully Trump supporters (you guys are using as examples) are of the right wing. And you're deflecting.

But yes, I'll get you some links. Although this stuff is easily found by simple searches.

I'm curious about the instances you mention, were these left-leaning political rallies that got out of hand? Did someone conduct an exit survey after a city block was burned and ask the arsonist to identify their political views?

Dark skin = liberal.

Isn't it interesting your mind automatically goes to race? Very tolerant, very progressive. Let me know your trigger words or phrases & I'll try to refrain from using them.

Actually, the BLM movement has its roots in the Ferguson, Baltimore, etc, um, "demonstrations" lets call them. If you don't wanna say flat out they're Liberals, that's fine (even though most have gone on record of "feelin the Bern" & the left are courting them heavily), but if you think any of them are voting Rep for anyone anywhere then you're def delusional.

My mind wouldn't go to race if you didn't equate white redneck gun nuts being shot by toddlers with refugees in Belgium (note: you mentioned refugees, not terrorists).

Maybe you're the one with the problem.

Also - maybe the rioters aren't going to vote Republican. But that doesn't necessarily make them liberals. Everything seems very black and white with you. Lots of false dichotomies.

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would you care to provide some links to what you are talking about?

Here's the maniac that rushed the stage to try to get to Trump. He's identified as Thomas DiMassimo, a Bernie supporter (and self proclaimed anarchist to boot) accroding to his interview with CNN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1QL1MmyMhQ

Here's the cop who got smashed with a brick (bottle?) in the streets in Chicago when protestors numbering the thousands shut down Trump's rally (most holding Bernie & BLM signs):

http://i.imgur.com/cbGQSrx.png

Here's the fine guys & gals at the same event blocking an ambulance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUBwhNzZIU

Here's another guy rushing the stage at the same event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6x40cu4KIQ

And here's some holding a communist flag (so progressive):

http://i.imgur.com/5JxLuXd.jpg

Here are some blocking the road to a Trump event in AZ (pretty sure you can guess the political leanings of this bunch):

http://i.imgur.com/iVVGt6H.jpg

Here they are yelling at a guy in a wheelchair, making fun of him for being handicapped, etc for just wearing his Trump hat (video doesnt show it, but he later said he was knocked over before this trying to get by them):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUKmKhe72tg

Here some are telling Bernie they're gonna shut him down (how exactly? by force I reckon) if they dont let them have his mic (because that's the way to get your point across):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoRleNh_EEw

There's more if you want more. And I'm not gonna post every time these people inflitrated a private ticketed rally they didnt agree with (there's too many of them), or all the fires set in Ferguson or Baltimore during that period (you can easily find that, and there's loads of them). Nor will I post all the tweets (literally dozens of them) from lefties who are literally threatening to kill Trump, or all those who trespass onto people's private property & steal their campaign signs. But that's all OK, cause Trump's bad, says mean things & screw people's right to support whoever they want. We'll just shut you down if we disagree. As far as many of these people are concerned, democracy has had a good run anyway, time for something new.

You ready to disavow (or even acknowledge) the ugly side of the left yet as I have the right?

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My mind wouldn't go to race if you didn't equate white redneck gun nuts being shot by toddlers with refugees in Belgium.

Reading comprehension. What is it??

Let me lay it out for you since you're having trouble. The point, pretty much during that entire post, was the leftist slant the board seems to take, both with what gets posted, what gets said, and opposition gets run out on rails (I mean, look at the heat I'm taking for just bringing it up).

Now, in case you're stupid (which I don't believe you are, you seem bright) & you can actually step back to view things from a distance rationally, you can see how someone with leftist views will just love (even though they'll never admit it) when stories like the toddler shooting her white gun nut mother happens. It helps them hammer home the idea that guns are bad, everyone who owns them are nut bags, the posts go on with your typical banter, everyone jacks off on the thread feeling super satisfied, the end. Rinse, repeat. Where it happens is irrelevant in this context, and when you consider shit that happens or gets said in different parts of the country/world gets posted here on an almost daily basis in headlines & in the forums.

On the flip side, a major terrorist attack happens in Brussels, which is in a country that over the past several years has had a VERY relaxed view on bringing in people with little to no vetting process from a war torn part of the world, one which happens to have a lot of terriorist activity & Islamist extremism, which some have suspected many of whom were posing as refugees in order to infiltrate European countries, or that they would be radicalized once inside (both have been happening all over Europe). This view towards openness & relaxed borders is seen typically as a liberal stance. But once bad things inevitably happen from policies such as this, they go silent. Or they deflect. But rarely do they ever see the problem with these policies to begin with, or they just don't wanna say for whatever reason. Maybe because we're all the same, lets hold hands under a rainbow, I'm no racist or whatever, yada yada, you get it.

One story had lots of posts & mocked viciously, the other wasn't even made. Why do you think that is? Could've been no one took the time, could've been other things. But keep in mind this was just the first example that popped into my head & that was recent. I'm positive there's tons more examples, I'm just not gonna dig them up or even go that far. People can do that for themselves & form their own conclusions.

[Adam White]

My mind wouldn't go to race if you didn't equate white redneck gun nuts being shot by toddlers with refugees in Belgium.

Reading comprehension. What is it??

Let me lay it out for you since you're having trouble. The point, pretty much during that entire post, was the leftist slant the board seems to take, both with what gets posted, what gets said, and opposition gets run out on rails (I mean, look at the heat I'm taking for just bringing it up).

Now, in case you're stupid (which I don't believe you are, you seem bright) & you can actually step back to view things from a distance rationally, you can see how someone with leftist views will just love (even though they'll never admit it) when stories like the toddler shooting her white gun nut mother happens. It helps them hammer home the idea that guns are bad, everyone who owns them are nut bags, the posts go on with your typical banter, everyone jacks off on the thread feeling super satisfied, the end. Rinse, repeat. Where it happens is irrelevant in this context, and when you consider shit that happens or gets said in different parts of the country/world gets posted here on an almost daily basis in headlines & in the forums.

On the flip side, a major terrorist attack happens in Brussels, which is in a country that over the past several years has had a VERY relaxed view on bringing in people with little to no vetting process from a war torn part of the world, one which happens to have a lot of terriorist activity & Islamist extremism, which some have suspected many of whom were posing as refugees in order to infiltrate European countries, or that they would be radicalized once inside (both have been happening all over Europe). This view towards openness & relaxed borders is seen typically as a liberal stance. But once bad things inevitably happen from policies such as this, they go silent. Or they deflect. But rarely do they ever see the problem with these policies to begin with, or they just don't wanna say for whatever reason. Maybe because we're all the same, lets hold hands under a rainbow, I'm no racist or whatever, yada yada, you get it.

One story had lots of posts & mocked viciously, the other wasn't even made. Why do you think that is? Could've been no one took the time, could've been other things. But keep in mind this was just the first example that popped into my head & that was recent. I'm positive there's tons more examples, I'm just not gonna dig them up or even go that far. People can do that for themselves & form their own conclusions.

I didn't realise that terrorism had anything to do with being liberal or conservative. Everyone I know was shocked by the events in Brussels (and Paris - which I seem to recall being discussed on this forum... as well as the shootings in California).

I am sure there are a lot of liberals on this forum and perhaps that is reflected in some of the topics. But not starting a thread about Brussels is hardly indicative of any ideological slant.

As far as 'open borders' are concerned, I don't know many liberals who support open borders. Usually that's more common among the actual left (socialists) and so-called "liberatarians" (right wing idiots).

[finehoe]

http://www.amazon.com/Let-Them-In-Case-Borders/dp/1592404316

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PSU you apparently spent a lot of time looking up examples on the web to demonstrate how the left wing is encouraging political violence, so thank you for taking the energy and effort.  Ive looked at each of them and Id like to respond to your post.

No worries, mate. You asked nicely. And it wasn't that long, just stuff I knew that happened off the top of my head. Like I said, I'll post more if you want more.

Also I'm not sure that DiMassimo committed any violence.  Certainly neither the police nor the secret service made this claim.  He was actually charged with disorderly conduct and inciting a panic.

He didn't commit violence, and hence was never charged with that. But do you really think he was trying to get to Trump to give him a hug??

The link you provided simply takes you to a picture of a bleeding cop entitled 'Bernie Supporters Are Assaulting Cops"  In researching the story, the cop was not hit with a brick, but with a bottle (not sure where you got brick from). And other than the photo caption that you referenced, no one has made the charge that the bottle was even thrown by a bernie supporter.

The people protesting that event were clearly the instigators, and this is backed up by countless videos. Sure, it technically could've came from anywhere, but you seriously cant buy that those protestors were little angels that day. They came looking for a fight.

A bit more about that flag..... How is this an example of left inspired violence?  And would you consider this to be an example of right endorsed violence?

I just threw it in there to show you the type of people who were there that day.

Finally, since most of your examples are from the Chicago protest, I think its instructive to look at the following  minutes of raw footage starting immediately after the announcement that Trump had cancelled.  Its pretty apparent that its thousands of college students, mixed between trump supporters and protestors and everyone is spoiling for a fight.

Sure, that's why they're there. This isn't taking up for the Trump people either BTW. They were ready to throw down as well.

The guy is at a protest, where everyone is yelling.

No, the guy didn't come to a protest, he came to a rally that turned into a protest & got mocked for being handicapped. That's not cool, like at all in any way.

There is a clue in the last few minutes of the video as he turns the camera down onto his show, where you can see the white power lacings on his doc martens.

Not seeing what you're seeing. Besides, even if he did, do you really think those protestors could see his lacings in the dark? They were motioning to his head/body, not his feet.

btw.  you seem to be stuck on this brussels story.  Why didn't you post a thread about it?

Can we assume it was because of your liberal bias?

I was gone for a while, prob not posting anything at all, and honestly don't make too many threads in general anywhere.

Perhaps you could make the case that the incident in Ohio was intimidating to Donald Trump.  He certainly looked like he was shitting his pants when it happened.  But the same kind of thing happened to Bernie with the BLM kids (and actually over the same issue--anti racism) and he was just irritated.

So, sorry for the lengthy reply, but I think that your examples served rather to show the differences between how the right and left have been viewing violence lately, and Im afraid that the truth is that political violence is pretty much a Trump Brand now.

The difference is the right, aside from a couple KKK, holy rollers or white supremacist ass clowns (who have zero weight, small numbers & no one takes seriously, including the vast majority of Conservatives), never hold "opposition rallies", they never infiltrate other candidates rallies by the thousands (or even at all really), everything doesn't offend them & they usually don't go looking for trouble.

Something tells me if things were switched, and thousands from the right were doing this, invading rallies, rushing Bernie's/Hillary's stage, road blocking, etc, everyone here would be flipping their collective lids. It'd be morning, noon & night posts about it. But obviously, they don't, the left does, so its all good.

And you never tackled Ferguson, Baltimore or Trump's twitter death threats. But yes, not technically violence, just advocating murdering someone is all.

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I also didn't report on any of these examples of right wing/conservative thuggery/skullduggery.  Does that mean I have the conservative slant that my liberal critics keep accusing me of having?   

If you didn't know it, PSU this is pretty much standard practice by conservatives against liberal and lefty groups. 

In fact the term 'astroturfing' was actually coined to describe this kind of shenanigans on the part of Dick Armey.

I never said it didn't happen from the right, just that it isn't as common, esp as it is today (the left protest groups have that pretty much on lock). I mean, you have stuff listed from 15 years ago in those examples. Sure you're gonna find things, never said it didn't exist. Here's some BLM activists from 2014 marching through NYC chanting they want dead cops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_qkvXLuGsc And here's a comrade assaulting an old man recently (and getting maced for it) at a rally then escorted out by police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA1S0KQD2W8 Here's some Occupy leaders threatening to burn the city down (he was arrested for making terrorist threats, vid below story) http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/zuccotti-park-protester-nkrumah-tinsley-arrested-threatening-burn-city-article-1.978770 See? We can do this all day.

I just don't why its so hard to admit there's loonies on both sides (as some have in this thread), instead of lambasting one side with a wall of dug up stories over the years & then defending the other. Both extremes are pretty scary IMO.

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PSU  Why is it so hard to admit that there is no real equivalency here?

Because there clearly is. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one since its a judgement call.

I know they don't really cover this in the Alex Jones crowd, which btw, is some of the most slanted media Ive ever seen, while pretending to be ecumenical about their issues (they aren't) but this has always been the hallmark of the Right, and you are literally watching the former campaign director of the Republican front runner threatening to print the hotel rooms and addresses of all the delegates who vote against trump after nearly a hundred various incidents and documentations of violence and beatings at his campaign events.

Doesn't shock me. Roger Stone is basically on the payroll of Alex Jones. Its just flexing for that crowd IMO. As far as "beatings" at Trump events, I think that's a bit dramatic. Almost any I've seen has been more like tussles, with a few punches here & there.

BTW, you should listen to Capitalist Radio sometime. Dude is like a drunken, crazier Alex Jones (and sounds like him). You'll get a kick out of it http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ghost/2016/03/20/true-capitalist-radio-hosted-by-ghost--emergency-broadcast

But you seem to be denying the fact that this isn't happening with the 'loonies' anymore on the Right. Its happening in a mainstream campaign and in daily life.

I'm not. But they're not out there everyday rallying against something (whatever it may be, far left is always pissed at something) in large numbers. If you can find some recently, and plentiful, post em. But you could probably find literally dozens from the left just within the past month involving thousands of them.

And also, my old friend, (still have the lunch boxes btw) you can't have it both ways.  You can't on the one hand claim that something just doesn't happen all that often and then complain that someone is posting a "wall of dug up stories over the years" when they document the mainstream events that prove the point over the past 16 years.  And talk about mainstreaming of violence and intimidation.  One of the people responsible for the riots over the 2000 election----Ted Cruz---is actually running for the presidency right now as the 'more moderate' alternative to Donald Trump.

Like I said, show me a couple instances of a handful of righties getting together to actually start some shit & I'll show you thousands of lefties who did just that over the past month. And I never claimed the mainstream right like Cruz was anything other than shitbags. Establishment right, including McCain, has every reason to be shitting their pants.

Lol, the lunchboxes (forgot all about those). Cherish em! I used to carry those in grade school so you've got a little piece of PSU there.

Do you really subscribe so much to this both siderism nonsense that you can't tell the difference?

I know there are some differences, was just saying both extremes are bad news in their own ways. I'm not defending either really, whereas you're defending one & saying no big deal.

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There's a difference between peaceful protesting with communist flags & bullying, intimidation, antagonizing & death threats.

I will listen to capitalist radio, on your suggestion.  Sounds fun.  Where do I find it?

I put the link to one of his broadcasts in the post before this one. Regardless, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ghost/2016/03/20/true-capitalist-radio-hosted-by-ghost--emergency-broadcast