Employee shot at The Blind Rabbit restaurant in Riverside

[Apache]

And you're basing this on what exactly? Some kind of "I don't need no man" new age world view?

No, I'm basing it on the FACTS, which show that single-parenting has been steadily rising for the last 50 years for all racial groups, yet homicides rose for a while, spiked and then stayed essentially flat.  So whatever fantasy conservatives have about crime being a result of being from an unmarried household isn't born out by statistics.  Does it contribute?  Perhaps, but obviously other factors are much more important.

Way to conveniently only show the data after the 90s so it fits your narrative.

It doesn't "fit my narrative" it shows that your claim that homicides have risen across the board after the spike in the early to mid 90s is false. 

If single-parent households are as an important contributing factor as you are trying to make it, the homicide rate should roughly have risen at the same rate, but it hasn't. The homicide rate has fallen and flattened at the same time the single-parent households have continued to rise .

Lets have a cordial disagreement today Finehoe. Would you agree that poverty is a factor that is very important to crime rate in general and homicides in particular?
Would you agree, typically, single mothers have a much higher rate of poverty than married couples?

[Adam White]

And you're basing this on what exactly? Some kind of "I don't need no man" new age world view?

No, I'm basing it on the FACTS, which show that single-parenting has been steadily rising for the last 50 years for all racial groups, yet homicides rose for a while, spiked and then stayed essentially flat.  So whatever fantasy conservatives have about crime being a result of being from an unmarried household isn't born out by statistics.  Does it contribute?  Perhaps, but obviously other factors are much more important.

Way to conveniently only show the data after the 90s so it fits your narrative.

It doesn't "fit my narrative" it shows that your claim that homicides have risen across the board after the spike in the early to mid 90s is false. 

If single-parent households are as an important contributing factor as you are trying to make it, the homicide rate should roughly have risen at the same rate, but it hasn't. The homicide rate has fallen and flattened at the same time the single-parent households have continued to rise .

Lets have a cordial disagreement today Finehoe. Would you agree that poverty is a factor that is very important to crime rate in general and homicides in particular?
Would you agree, typically, single mothers have a much higher rate of poverty than married couples?

Which takes me back to a point I made earlier that a lot of people seemed to disagree with - crime is a socio-economic issue (by and large). This isn't about single mothers - it's about single mothers not having the support they need (in addition to myriad other issues).

[finehoe]

Would you agree that poverty is a factor that is very important to crime rate in general and homicides in particular?

No, I wouldn't agree.  The vast majority of the people on earth are poor, yet only a small number are criminals and even fewer are murderers.  Does poverty play a role?  Probably, but the prevalence of so-called "white-collar crime" shows it's much more complicated than that.

Would you agree, typically, single mothers have a much higher rate of poverty than married couples?

Yes, I would agree that typically single parents have fewer resources than two parents.  But see above.

[finehoe]

You are aware your CDC chart only has data from 32 states - omitting little places like CA, TX and FL among others?

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/images/nvdrs-2014-map.png

If you think that changes the trends I have highlighted to any significant degree, I'm open to seeing the evidence.

[peestandingup]

And you're basing this on what exactly? Some kind of "I don't need no man" new age world view?

No, I'm basing it on the FACTS, which show that single-parenting has been steadily rising for the last 50 years for all racial groups, yet homicides rose for a while, spiked, declined and then stayed essentially flat.  So whatever fantasy conservatives have about crime being a result of being from an unmarried household isn't born out by statistics.  Does it contribute?  Perhaps, but obviously other factors are much more important.

Those "facts" you mention isn't a clear indication of what you're trying to pass them off as. Its a complicated issue with a lot of factors (single parent households in certain situations just being one of them). Here's a good read that talks about just that w a few studies (read it or don't): http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/the-real-complex-connection-between-single-parent-families-and-crime/265860/

Besides, you say it contributes, and that's exactly what I said so I don't know your beef exactly. No one is saying if you're raised in a single parent family you're automatically gonna grow up to be a criminal. But if we're talking about a broken home vs a non-broken home, I'm gonna place my bets on the non-broken one every time for less likelihood of criminal behavior. I may win some & I may lose some, but I'd say I'd win more than I'd lose. I would think that's more of a common sense view instead of some "conservative" stance as you put it, but hey, whatever floats your boat. You seem to constantly see things as left vs right anyway, so I guess I should've expected that.

It doesn't "fit my narrative" it shows that your claim that homicides have risen across the board after the spike in the early to mid 90s is false. 

If single-parent households are as an important contributing factor as you are trying to make it, the homicide rate should roughly have risen at the same rate, but it hasn't. The homicide rate has fallen and flattened at the same time that single-parent households have continued to rise.

I said blacks, not everyone. If you look at the data before what you posted that only included the 90s onward (brain fart on your part i'm so sure), it shows after the spike, it went back down but only to the levels it was before the hard spike. And it didn't "flatline" there either. It goes up & down from that pre-spike area, whereas the rest consistently go down & stay down.

[Know Growth]

What in fact are the drivers behind our certified "Murder Capitol" status? Compared to what?

[finehoe]

If you look at the data before what you posted that only included the 90s onward (brain fart on your part i'm so sure), it shows after the spike, it went back down but only to the levels it was before the hard spike. And it didn't "flatline" there either. It goes up & down from that pre-spike area, whereas the rest consistently go down & stay down.

If you repeat it enough times, it might come true.  However, what really happened was that after the 90s spike it declined to 50s level.

[Sentient]

You are aware your CDC chart only has data from 32 states - omitting little places like CA, TX and FL among others?

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/images/nvdrs-2014-map.png

If you think that changes the trends I have highlighted to any significant degree, I'm open to seeing the evidence.

Lots of words to say No.  You should try being honest once in a while.

[finehoe]

You should try being honest once in a while.

And you should offer an actual argument rather than trying to do a "gotcha'.

[peestandingup]

If you look at the data before what you posted that only included the 90s onward (brain fart on your part i'm so sure), it shows after the spike, it went back down but only to the levels it was before the hard spike. And it didn't "flatline" there either. It goes up & down from that pre-spike area, whereas the rest consistently go down & stay down.

If you repeat it enough times, it might come true.  However, what really happened was that after the 90s spike it declined to 50s level.

Lol, that's a chart showing the homicide rate of all Americans (and clearly not what I was referring to). Nice. You're obviously trying to skirt the issue. Besides, I already posted the homicide rates by race before & after the 90s which you seemingly put your blinders on for, so there's no point in continuing with this.

I'll leave it alone since you don't wanna go there. But maybe next time don't come in with guns blazing & your ass on fire unless you're prepared to actually talk about it & back it up? Or stick to the topics where you & the small handful of usual suspects can high five each other for being "right" & never get challenged. Just a thought.

[Adam White]

Will somebody just find and post a graph showing crime in the USA by race over the past 100 years or so and end this?

I started looking and lost the will to live. But if such a graph exists, it should resolve the dispute (you'd hope).

[finehoe]

Or stick to the topics where you & the small handful of usual suspects can high five each other for being "right" & never get challenged. Just a thought.

Oh, you challenge me a lot, but I always hand you your ass when you do.

[camarocane]

Will somebody just find and post a graph showing crime in the USA by race over the past 100 years or so and end this?

I started looking and lost the will to live. But if such a graph exists, it should resolve the dispute (you'd hope).

I seriously doubt that graph would solve this dispute. You would then see a dispute about the legitimacy of the graph. Who created it? What was considered black hispanic and white 100 years ago? etc. etc.

[Local Artist]

Did they ever find the suspects?

[Sentient]

Did they ever find the suspects?

Did they look?  Were there any Lonzie like press conferences and daily updates?