Employee shot at The Blind Rabbit restaurant in Riverside

[camarocane]

LMAO at all the people on this board posting in other threads saying Jax is less racist than other cities, is more integrated, and has better relationships between black and white populations than those nasty northern cities. I'm sure most Riverside residents would happily build a wall if they could come up with the funds. An artisanal wall hand crafted using locally sourced materials.

So a desire to be safe and go through your life undisturbed by criminals is racist?  How is that?

+1... And here comes the race baiting.

[AngryChicken]

What is the latest statistic for murder? Black males commit murder 8 to 1 vs white males?

LMAO at all the people on this board posting in other threads saying Jax is less racist than other cities, is more integrated, and has better relationships between black and white populations than those nasty northern cities. I'm sure most Riverside residents would happily build a wall if they could come up with the funds. An artisanal wall hand crafted using locally sourced materials.

So a desire to be safe and go through your life undisturbed by criminals is racist?  How is that?

+1... And here comes the race baiting.

[Sentient]

What is the latest statistic for murder? Black males commit murder 8 to 1 vs white males?

LMAO at all the people on this board posting in other threads saying Jax is less racist than other cities, is more integrated, and has better relationships between black and white populations than those nasty northern cities. I'm sure most Riverside residents would happily build a wall if they could come up with the funds. An artisanal wall hand crafted using locally sourced materials.

So a desire to be safe and go through your life undisturbed by criminals is racist?  How is that?

+1... And here comes the race baiting.

no.  literally untrue.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

take it back to the race baiting circle jerk, AC

AC's statement is untrue only because - using Stephen's own article's numbers - it's about 7 times not 8.

"The exception is for homicides. While you won't find that information on the Justice Department website, it can be culled from federal records, which is what James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University, has done for many years.

Fox sent us the following homicide arrest numbers:

Year    Race     Sex     Reported     Percent        Rate per 100K
2012    White    Male       4,631          41.5%       4.9
2012    Black    Male        5,095          45.6%     35.2
2013    White    Male       4,486          41.7%       4.7
2013     Black    Male      4,863          45.2%       33.0

Source: James Alan Fox  (The percentages are based on all homicide arrests, not just the ones you see in the table.)

Looking solely at murders, black men are arrested more for murder than white men, and at a much higher rate when you account for population."

[Sentient]

wow.  'sentient'  read the actual article and don't make me repost the entire thing to show what a dishonest bit of cherry picking you just did.

Please tell me that the average right winger isn't actually this dull witted.

You continue to see only what you want to see.  Maybe you should be the one reading things before posting them.  This was one of your articles you post in rebuttal to AC's claim.  What is wrong about the rate the article states?

[Sentient]

Once you separate latins from being counted as both black and white in the crime statistics, the difference in arrests between black and white is actually 2.5. not 7.  not 8.

Keep in mind that those are arrests, not convictions.

http://c0.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/charleston-shooting-obama-race-crime-statistics.jpg

Is this the basis for your calculation of 2.5?

[camarocane]

Once you separate latins from being counted as both black and white in the crime statistics, the difference in arrests between black and white is actually 2.5. not 7.  not 8.

Keep in mind that those are arrests, not convictions.

Regardless, throw out all these numbers. If thats just concerning arrests who cares, its all about convictions right? What about the poor black male that's arrested by racist white cops? Or convicted by racists right-wing judges and juries? Blacks are arrested more for murders than whites. Can we agree on that?
What can be deduced (if anything) from that information?
Wheres the beef? Anything can be spun, especially on this site. But I digress...

IMO a wall wouldnt do much to solve crime in Riverside.

[peestandingup]

Once you separate latins from being counted as both black and white in the crime statistics, the difference in arrests between black and white is actually 2.5. not 7.  not 8.

Keep in mind that those are arrests, not convictions.

Most Latino perpetrators are counted as white (I think it was estimated as something like 90% of them). FBI crime stats only had categories for white, black & other under the offender, but had a slot for Hispanic under victim.

This may have changed recently. I have no idea. I believe I read somewhere it did though. If it did, that would mean white crime went down, black stats generally stayed the same.

[peestandingup]

However the numbers are put together, blacks generally do have higher crime stats overall. How much depends on how you look at the numbers. If its across the board, its not horrible. If its by race/population, then yeah its pretty bad.

There's a lot of factors in play arriving at those numbers. Some of it is probably stereotyping by police. I think a larger part of it is poverty, mixed with a high density urban environment, along with single parent households. These stats to me are the most shocking & I believe the breakdown of the family unit within the black community is something that more people should be concerned with when talking about this stuff instead of jumping on the hate train. All of those factors put together can have a LOT of bad consequences.

In the mid 1960s, single parent households in the black community were at around 30%. Now its close to 70%. Whites have risen as well (5% then to around 20% now). But the former is a huge huge leap.

[finehoe]

In the mid 1960s, single parent households in the black community were at around 30%. Now its close to 70%. Whites have risen as well (5% then to around 20% now). But the former is a huge huge leap.

If single-parent households are a cause crime, then crime should be going up across the board.  It is not.  Crime has been going down since the 90s.

[Sentient]

Once you separate latins from being counted as both black and white in the crime statistics, the difference in arrests between black and white is actually 2.5. not 7.  not 8.

Keep in mind that those are arrests, not convictions.

So you're not going to post your calculations, and source data, for your claim of 2.5?

[peestandingup]

In the mid 1960s, single parent households in the black community were at around 30%. Now its close to 70%. Whites have risen as well (5% then to around 20% now). But the former is a huge huge leap.

If single-parent households are a cause crime, then crime should be going up across the board.  It is not.  Crime has been going down since the 90s.

As if a person growing up without a dad were the only factor in crime. That'd be pretty easy then wouldn't it.

And you should probably check crime rates among blacks, namely homicides. It did fall, but only coming from a huge & sudden spike in the early to mid 90s. If you take that drastic spike off, across the board it's risen.

[finehoe]

As if a person growing up without a dad were the only factor in crime. That'd be pretty easy then wouldn't it.

Nobody said anything about it being the "only" factor, but it is pretty clear any correlation is pretty weak.

And you should probably check crime rates among blacks, namely homicides. It did fall, but only coming from a huge & sudden spike in the early to mid 90s. If you take that drastic spike off, across the board it's risen.

Uh, no:



http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nvdrs/

[peestandingup]

As if a person growing up without a dad were the only factor in crime. That'd be pretty easy then wouldn't it.

Nobody said anything about it being the "only" factor, but it is pretty clear any correlation is pretty weak.

And you're basing this on what exactly? Some kind of "I don't need no man" new age world view? You really don't believe that growing up without a dad/strong male role model + poverty in the hood + going to a shitty school with shitty influences isn't detrimental overall? To pretend single parent households in this regard isn't harmful is just dumb. It effects potential income, parental awareness, the fact that the sole parent has to work all the time, etc in an already shaky situation. Its not the sole reason but it sure doesn't help.

And you should probably check crime rates among blacks, namely homicides. It did fall, but only coming from a huge & sudden spike in the early to mid 90s. If you take that drastic spike off, across the board it's risen.

Uh, no:



http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nvdrs/

Way to conveniently only show the data after the 90s so it fits your narrative.

[Sentient]

As if a person growing up without a dad were the only factor in crime. That'd be pretty easy then wouldn't it.

Nobody said anything about it being the "only" factor, but it is pretty clear any correlation is pretty weak.

And you should probably check crime rates among blacks, namely homicides. It did fall, but only coming from a huge & sudden spike in the early to mid 90s. If you take that drastic spike off, across the board it's risen.

Uh, no:



http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nvdrs/

You are aware your CDC chart only has data from 32 states - omitting little places like CA, TX and FL among others?

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/images/nvdrs-2014-map.png

[finehoe]

And you're basing this on what exactly? Some kind of "I don't need no man" new age world view?

No, I'm basing it on the FACTS, which show that single-parenting has been steadily rising for the last 50 years for all racial groups, yet homicides rose for a while, spiked, declined and then stayed essentially flat.  So whatever fantasy conservatives have about crime being a result of being from an unmarried household isn't born out by statistics.  Does it contribute?  Perhaps, but obviously other factors are much more important.

Way to conveniently only show the data after the 90s so it fits your narrative.

It doesn't "fit my narrative" it shows that your claim that homicides have risen across the board after the spike in the early to mid 90s is false. 

If single-parent households are as an important contributing factor as you are trying to make it, the homicide rate should roughly have risen at the same rate, but it hasn't. The homicide rate has fallen and flattened at the same time that single-parent households have continued to rise .