Employee shot at The Blind Rabbit restaurant in Riverside

[NaldoAveKnight]

Does it matter if it was drug related or not?  A life is a life.  Unless we are living in a Mad Max kind of society killing someone over a debt is inexcusable.  Have the police found the culprit?  Or is this getting swept under the rug as another 'Jax drug murder'?  With the huge and elaborate criminal justice system of JSO/Duval county one would think that shaking down some area drug houses for information would be pretty easy. 

I can guarantee if something like this happened in Epping Forest the JSO would have the culprit behind bars in 48 hours tops.  Just keeping it real.

I believe you have some good points. But crime isn't this easy to solve, the police in all fairness have the best chance of solving a lot of crime in the first 48 hours when it comes to Murder or maybe any crime in general. Depending on what the crime is and making sure Innocent people are not being framed for something they didn't do?

Not sure how finding the culprit and framing a random person are related.  This is the kind of thinking that justifies sweeping a murder under the rug because too much effort is involved in doing the right thing.  "We shouldn't do anything because we might get the wrong person." 

In situations like this it's real easy to get information.  JSO has an incredible amount of leverage in that area in terms of police informants and known drug houses. 

Until a stand is taken events like this will be our normal.  Unless we are aiming to be like Baltimore or Detroit I'm thinking we don't want it to be our normal.  Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.  Too many folks thinking the wrong person might get accused so it's better to not ruffle feathers and make a scene.

I think you're living in a dream world if you think that putting people on the front page for murder will actually make a difference. Many would argue that the death penalty should be the ultimate disincentive to murder, yet people still murder in States with the death penalty. Murderers have more pressing concerns then whether or not they will end up in the newspaper.

Right on, now that makes perfect sense!  Action shouldn't be taken and the killer arrested because 1.) JSO might arrest the wrong person.  2.) States that have the death penalty still have murders.

Not sure how the death penalty got worked into this topic but yeah, it all comes together now!  Thanks, I've been enlightened and have awoke from my dream.

[Adam White]

Does it matter if it was drug related or not?  A life is a life.  Unless we are living in a Mad Max kind of society killing someone over a debt is inexcusable.  Have the police found the culprit?  Or is this getting swept under the rug as another 'Jax drug murder'?  With the huge and elaborate criminal justice system of JSO/Duval county one would think that shaking down some area drug houses for information would be pretty easy. 

I can guarantee if something like this happened in Epping Forest the JSO would have the culprit behind bars in 48 hours tops.  Just keeping it real.

I believe you have some good points. But crime isn't this easy to solve, the police in all fairness have the best chance of solving a lot of crime in the first 48 hours when it comes to Murder or maybe any crime in general. Depending on what the crime is and making sure Innocent people are not being framed for something they didn't do?

Not sure how finding the culprit and framing a random person are related.  This is the kind of thinking that justifies sweeping a murder under the rug because too much effort is involved in doing the right thing.  "We shouldn't do anything because we might get the wrong person." 

In situations like this it's real easy to get information.  JSO has an incredible amount of leverage in that area in terms of police informants and known drug houses. 

Until a stand is taken events like this will be our normal.  Unless we are aiming to be like Baltimore or Detroit I'm thinking we don't want it to be our normal.  Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.  Too many folks thinking the wrong person might get accused so it's better to not ruffle feathers and make a scene.

I think you're living in a dream world if you think that putting people on the front page for murder will actually make a difference. Many would argue that the death penalty should be the ultimate disincentive to murder, yet people still murder in States with the death penalty. Murderers have more pressing concerns then whether or not they will end up in the newspaper.

Right on, now that makes perfect sense!  Action shouldn't be taken and the killer arrested because 1.) JSO might arrest the wrong person.  2.) States that have the death penalty still have murders.

Not sure how the death penalty got worked into this topic but yeah, it all comes together now!  Thanks, I've been enlightened and have awoke from my dream.

I am not saying the police shouldn't arrest a suspect - if they have one. I was responding to this "enlightened" statement:

Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.

[NaldoAveKnight]

Does it matter if it was drug related or not?  A life is a life.  Unless we are living in a Mad Max kind of society killing someone over a debt is inexcusable.  Have the police found the culprit?  Or is this getting swept under the rug as another 'Jax drug murder'?  With the huge and elaborate criminal justice system of JSO/Duval county one would think that shaking down some area drug houses for information would be pretty easy. 

I can guarantee if something like this happened in Epping Forest the JSO would have the culprit behind bars in 48 hours tops.  Just keeping it real.

I believe you have some good points. But crime isn't this easy to solve, the police in all fairness have the best chance of solving a lot of crime in the first 48 hours when it comes to Murder or maybe any crime in general. Depending on what the crime is and making sure Innocent people are not being framed for something they didn't do?

Not sure how finding the culprit and framing a random person are related.  This is the kind of thinking that justifies sweeping a murder under the rug because too much effort is involved in doing the right thing.  "We shouldn't do anything because we might get the wrong person." 

In situations like this it's real easy to get information.  JSO has an incredible amount of leverage in that area in terms of police informants and known drug houses. 

Until a stand is taken events like this will be our normal.  Unless we are aiming to be like Baltimore or Detroit I'm thinking we don't want it to be our normal.  Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.  Too many folks thinking the wrong person might get accused so it's better to not ruffle feathers and make a scene.

I think you're living in a dream world if you think that putting people on the front page for murder will actually make a difference. Many would argue that the death penalty should be the ultimate disincentive to murder, yet people still murder in States with the death penalty. Murderers have more pressing concerns then whether or not they will end up in the newspaper.

Right on, now that makes perfect sense!  Action shouldn't be taken and the killer arrested because 1.) JSO might arrest the wrong person.  2.) States that have the death penalty still have murders.

Not sure how the death penalty got worked into this topic but yeah, it all comes together now!  Thanks, I've been enlightened and have awoke from my dream.

I am not saying the police shouldn't arrest a suspect - if they have one. I was responding to this "enlightened" statement:

Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.

There's no suspect because the JSO spent zero hours investigating this.  For some folks this was a drug murder which to them means, 'it is what it is'.  The general area is such that pretty much any murder can be chalked up as a drug murder.  In the King Street area there is no rule of law.  It's been this way ever since I can remember.  Research any murder in that area, I would bet my last dollar that there's not even a 10% arrest rate for murders in cases where the killer wasn't hanging around with a smoking gun.  My point is that if we cared and JSO did a little digging some of these killers would be taken off the street and we wouldn't have the lawless mess that currently exists. 

[Adam White]

Does it matter if it was drug related or not?  A life is a life.  Unless we are living in a Mad Max kind of society killing someone over a debt is inexcusable.  Have the police found the culprit?  Or is this getting swept under the rug as another 'Jax drug murder'?  With the huge and elaborate criminal justice system of JSO/Duval county one would think that shaking down some area drug houses for information would be pretty easy. 

I can guarantee if something like this happened in Epping Forest the JSO would have the culprit behind bars in 48 hours tops.  Just keeping it real.

I believe you have some good points. But crime isn't this easy to solve, the police in all fairness have the best chance of solving a lot of crime in the first 48 hours when it comes to Murder or maybe any crime in general. Depending on what the crime is and making sure Innocent people are not being framed for something they didn't do?

Not sure how finding the culprit and framing a random person are related.  This is the kind of thinking that justifies sweeping a murder under the rug because too much effort is involved in doing the right thing.  "We shouldn't do anything because we might get the wrong person." 

In situations like this it's real easy to get information.  JSO has an incredible amount of leverage in that area in terms of police informants and known drug houses. 

Until a stand is taken events like this will be our normal.  Unless we are aiming to be like Baltimore or Detroit I'm thinking we don't want it to be our normal.  Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.  Too many folks thinking the wrong person might get accused so it's better to not ruffle feathers and make a scene.

I think you're living in a dream world if you think that putting people on the front page for murder will actually make a difference. Many would argue that the death penalty should be the ultimate disincentive to murder, yet people still murder in States with the death penalty. Murderers have more pressing concerns then whether or not they will end up in the newspaper.

Right on, now that makes perfect sense!  Action shouldn't be taken and the killer arrested because 1.) JSO might arrest the wrong person.  2.) States that have the death penalty still have murders.

Not sure how the death penalty got worked into this topic but yeah, it all comes together now!  Thanks, I've been enlightened and have awoke from my dream.

I am not saying the police shouldn't arrest a suspect - if they have one. I was responding to this "enlightened" statement:

Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.

There's no suspect because the JSO spent zero hours investigating this.  For some folks this was a drug murder which to them means, 'it is what it is'.  The general area is such that pretty much any murder can be chalked up as a drug murder.  In the King Street area there is no rule of law.  It's been this way ever since I can remember.  Research any murder in that area, I would bet my last dollar that there's not even a 10% arrest rate for murders in cases where the killer wasn't hanging around with a smoking gun.  My point is that if we cared and JSO did a little digging some of these killers would be taken off the street and we wouldn't have the lawless mess that currently exists.

How do you know the JSO hasn't done any investigation?

[NaldoAveKnight]

Does it matter if it was drug related or not?  A life is a life.  Unless we are living in a Mad Max kind of society killing someone over a debt is inexcusable.  Have the police found the culprit?  Or is this getting swept under the rug as another 'Jax drug murder'?  With the huge and elaborate criminal justice system of JSO/Duval county one would think that shaking down some area drug houses for information would be pretty easy. 

I can guarantee if something like this happened in Epping Forest the JSO would have the culprit behind bars in 48 hours tops.  Just keeping it real.

I believe you have some good points. But crime isn't this easy to solve, the police in all fairness have the best chance of solving a lot of crime in the first 48 hours when it comes to Murder or maybe any crime in general. Depending on what the crime is and making sure Innocent people are not being framed for something they didn't do?

Not sure how finding the culprit and framing a random person are related.  This is the kind of thinking that justifies sweeping a murder under the rug because too much effort is involved in doing the right thing.  "We shouldn't do anything because we might get the wrong person." 

In situations like this it's real easy to get information.  JSO has an incredible amount of leverage in that area in terms of police informants and known drug houses. 

Until a stand is taken events like this will be our normal.  Unless we are aiming to be like Baltimore or Detroit I'm thinking we don't want it to be our normal.  Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.  Too many folks thinking the wrong person might get accused so it's better to not ruffle feathers and make a scene.

I think you're living in a dream world if you think that putting people on the front page for murder will actually make a difference. Many would argue that the death penalty should be the ultimate disincentive to murder, yet people still murder in States with the death penalty. Murderers have more pressing concerns then whether or not they will end up in the newspaper.

Right on, now that makes perfect sense!  Action shouldn't be taken and the killer arrested because 1.) JSO might arrest the wrong person.  2.) States that have the death penalty still have murders.

Not sure how the death penalty got worked into this topic but yeah, it all comes together now!  Thanks, I've been enlightened and have awoke from my dream.

I am not saying the police shouldn't arrest a suspect - if they have one. I was responding to this "enlightened" statement:

Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.

There's no suspect because the JSO spent zero hours investigating this.  For some folks this was a drug murder which to them means, 'it is what it is'.  The general area is such that pretty much any murder can be chalked up as a drug murder.  In the King Street area there is no rule of law.  It's been this way ever since I can remember.  Research any murder in that area, I would bet my last dollar that there's not even a 10% arrest rate for murders in cases where the killer wasn't hanging around with a smoking gun.  My point is that if we cared and JSO did a little digging some of these killers would be taken off the street and we wouldn't have the lawless mess that currently exists.

How do you know the JSO hasn't done any investigation?

There's a case number.  Does someone have it?  Let's look it up and talk to the assigned officer. 

[NaldoAveKnight]

Does it matter if it was drug related or not?  A life is a life.  Unless we are living in a Mad Max kind of society killing someone over a debt is inexcusable.  Have the police found the culprit?  Or is this getting swept under the rug as another 'Jax drug murder'?  With the huge and elaborate criminal justice system of JSO/Duval county one would think that shaking down some area drug houses for information would be pretty easy. 

I can guarantee if something like this happened in Epping Forest the JSO would have the culprit behind bars in 48 hours tops.  Just keeping it real.

I believe you have some good points. But crime isn't this easy to solve, the police in all fairness have the best chance of solving a lot of crime in the first 48 hours when it comes to Murder or maybe any crime in general. Depending on what the crime is and making sure Innocent people are not being framed for something they didn't do?

Not sure how finding the culprit and framing a random person are related.  This is the kind of thinking that justifies sweeping a murder under the rug because too much effort is involved in doing the right thing.  "We shouldn't do anything because we might get the wrong person." 

In situations like this it's real easy to get information.  JSO has an incredible amount of leverage in that area in terms of police informants and known drug houses. 

Until a stand is taken events like this will be our normal.  Unless we are aiming to be like Baltimore or Detroit I'm thinking we don't want it to be our normal.  Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.  Too many folks thinking the wrong person might get accused so it's better to not ruffle feathers and make a scene.

I think you're living in a dream world if you think that putting people on the front page for murder will actually make a difference. Many would argue that the death penalty should be the ultimate disincentive to murder, yet people still murder in States with the death penalty. Murderers have more pressing concerns then whether or not they will end up in the newspaper.

Right on, now that makes perfect sense!  Action shouldn't be taken and the killer arrested because 1.) JSO might arrest the wrong person.  2.) States that have the death penalty still have murders.

Not sure how the death penalty got worked into this topic but yeah, it all comes together now!  Thanks, I've been enlightened and have awoke from my dream.

I am not saying the police shouldn't arrest a suspect - if they have one. I was responding to this "enlightened" statement:

Put a couple murderers on the front page and watch the murder rate go down.  Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder.

There's no suspect because the JSO spent zero hours investigating this.  For some folks this was a drug murder which to them means, 'it is what it is'.  The general area is such that pretty much any murder can be chalked up as a drug murder.  In the King Street area there is no rule of law.  It's been this way ever since I can remember.  Research any murder in that area, I would bet my last dollar that there's not even a 10% arrest rate for murders in cases where the killer wasn't hanging around with a smoking gun.  My point is that if we cared and JSO did a little digging some of these killers would be taken off the street and we wouldn't have the lawless mess that currently exists.

How do you know the JSO hasn't done any investigation?

There's a case number.  Does someone have it?  Let's look it up and talk to the assigned officer.

The case number is 201500500736.

[AKIRA]

Because its a homicide case the public will not have access to the investigation's complete reports, of which there will be plenty, nor will the investigating detective give you the inside scoop.

Beyond that, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you think JSO has such leverage in the drug community that the suspect will be so easily determined and delivered (if it was a drug related murder, which is a further blind guess on your part).

[finehoe]

Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder. 

Florida 3rd in Nation for Executions

http://patch.com/florida/sarasota/florida-3rd-nation-executions-0

Apparently it's true that the death penalty does not deter crime.

[The_Choose_1]

The only way the death penalty could deter crime. Is after a man or woman was found guilty you take them out back of the court house and kill them right then and there. Of course I hope this NEVER happens in America myself. For over the years people have been put to death and where not guilty of the crime. Before DNA came into play I wonder how many States put Innocent people to DEATH? And Rick Scott cares about the life of an unborn baby that may be aborted but has no problem putting someone on death row to DEATH seems like a double standard to me Ricky? Yes I know Rick Scott is only the Governor of the once great state of Florida. And the person on death row was found guilty in a court of law. But if your Pro-life it should be for all life.

[Adam White]

Right now there's no incentive for someone not to murder. 

Florida 3rd in Nation for Executions

http://patch.com/florida/sarasota/florida-3rd-nation-executions-0

Apparently it's true that the death penalty does not deter crime.

I mentioned that - but apparently the poster doesn't see the connection. He asked why I brought the death penalty into the discussion.

[AKIRA]

Capital punishment: The purpose is not primarily to deter such horrific crimes in the future, but rather to extract the only punishment that suits such crimes.  If the main goal of punishment was deterring future crimes, then the justice system would be a complete failure, as crimes still happen, across the board..

[ChriswUfGator]

I've never quite bought how us as society taking someone's life as punishment for what they did makes us any better than they are.

[Adam White]

I've never quite bought how us as society taking someone's life as punishment for what they did makes us any better than they are.

I agree. But then again, I always viewed the main purpose of prison to be a) rehabilitation and b) to protect society from dangerous criminals. Although I can appreciate a punitive aspect being necessary to prison sentences, I don't think we should be in the business of extracting vengeance.

Besides - most countries have eliminated capital punishment. This leaves the USA in league with such human rights luminaries as Saudi Arabia, Iran, China and North Korea. Well done! Even Russia got rid of the death penalty.

[AKIRA]

...in an existential manner of cause and effect, there needs to be a cost for crimes committed against individuals.  This is where "the crime fits the punishment" idea comes into play; some crimes being so great that the debt can only be paid for by life.  Rehabilitation is a worthy goal, but some are beyond that...

Chris, can you see the difference between society fairly sentencing someone to death and the murderous actions of the person who killed the Perrywinkle child?  Its not the same, in any sense.  I use him as example because rehabilitation is (probably) impossible and the debt incurred to so great.

[Adam White]

...in an existential manner of cause and effect, there needs to be a cost for crimes committed against individuals.  This is where "the crime fits the punishment" idea comes into play; some crimes being so great that the debt can only be paid for by life.  Rehabilitation is a worthy goal, but some are beyond that...

Chris, can you see the difference between society fairly sentencing someone to death and the murderous actions of the person who killed the Perrywinkle child?  Its not the same, in any sense.  I use him as example because rehabilitation is (probably) impossible and the debt incurred to so great.

You  didn't ask me - but I'm opposed to capital punishment, full stop. I don't know the case of the Perrywinkle child, but wouldn't support a death sentence in any case.