JSO officer involved in shooting man at Cleveland Arms Apartments

[bill]

Gosh, when the facts do not fit with your narrative it sure gets quiet here.

[Jax native]

Ed, what facts do you want?  Also I was NOT quiet, I just wasn't here.  I was pretty loud where I was.

I'm not sure anyone will ever know the "facts".  it is definitely a he said/she said/he said situation.

My thoughts as it seems I need to clarify what is my thoughts so people somehow would think, that I believe my thoughts are have a link. 

If you read the article in jacksonville TU today.....

"a neighbor told police the man put the three children outside and she was afraid for the woman.

"I swear he is beating the hell out of this girl," '

The above quotes are the reason, I don't trust JSO or their action that day. JSO responds to a call from subject then a neighbor called "I swear he is beating the hell out of the girl"..... JSO ran in only because of what a person who wasn't there said to them. Upon seeing cops in their house, the suspect cooperated then stopped "complying". Why did cops tell him you are under arrest the first time? No one but the first officer said he could see "strangling from outside". NO one else says this. Including victim. Unlike what JSO Hackney said and tries to say;

" "It's not surprising that we have victims of domestic battery change their story and do things to protect their batterers as sad as that is, unfortunately," Hackney said."

JSO Hackney is putting blame on her. The report says "victim' says that did NOT happen. Why is JSO HAckney pretending she is just changing story now, when her story was different from JSO in the beginning??

JSO and Hackney are trying too hard to justify this shooting and putting words in people's mouth doesn't help.

It is obvious, JSO went to Cleveland Apts. with the prior understanding they have had "problems' before. JSO escalate a situation that could have been different from JSO actions to trying to arrest immediately. Suspect sounds like he was ready to talk w/  JSO abut what was happening until JSO said "You're under arrest". JSO was trying to arrest him on what a neighbor said, and that's illegal.

I'll talk Ed if you want to.  Gladly

[Jax native]

I - 10?  Who is the neighbor who called?  So you know her?  Is she an upstanding woman you put all your trust in.  Calling 911 and talking,d does not make what you say factual.  It's just what you are saying.  If your argument is 911 caller has the facts, of exactly what is going on upstairs is flawed. 

A person calling 911 and stating what she hears upstairs is NOT probable cause to arrest him.  That is why i am so weary of JSO's statements.  First JSO Hackney said she was "strangled" which is NOT a fact.  From there it gets shady what really happened.  Hackney saying GF is going back on her statements are lies. as she did not make the statement JSO is pretending to say what happened.  . 

Also, because Ed asked and I decided to talk with you again, Please tell me more about "That is very common in the hood". I'm ready for how much you know about what is or isn't common in the "hood"?  Link please?

[TheCat]

On this link:

JSO's official responses. one of the 911 calls. interview with the woman involved in the domestic incident. Interview with the brother of Devante Jones and a couple other video reports.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2015-mar-jso-shooting-in-cleveland-arms-apts-related-news-media

[WarDamJagFan]

If the person who was shot did in fact run, then attack an officer, take his taser, and point it back at the police, then the shots he received are of no fault but his own.

[CutterJ]

from facebook:



last night's protest

Did these citizens already have their signs printed and where just waiting for an incident in order to pull them out? I wonder if they are going to organize a march to occur during One Spark? Seems like that would be the most opportunistic time to get in front of the camera.

[I-10east]

I - 10?  Who is the neighbor who called?  So you know her?  Is she an upstanding woman you put all your trust in.

I hope that you're kidding. Wow, that's comical.

[edjax]

Ed, what facts do you want?  Also I was NOT quiet, I just wasn't here.  I was pretty loud where I was.

I'm not sure anyone will ever know the "facts".  it is definitely a he said/she said/he said situation.

My thoughts as it seems I need to clarify what is my thoughts so people somehow would think, that I believe my thoughts are have a link. 

If you read the article in jacksonville TU today.....

"a neighbor told police the man put the three children outside and she was afraid for the woman.

"I swear he is beating the hell out of this girl," '

The above quotes are the reason, I don't trust JSO or their action that day. JSO responds to a call from subject then a neighbor called "I swear he is beating the hell out of the girl"..... JSO ran in only because of what a person who wasn't there said to them. Upon seeing cops in their house, the suspect cooperated then stopped "complying". Why did cops tell him you are under arrest the first time? No one but the first officer said he could see "strangling from outside". NO one else says this. Including victim. Unlike what JSO Hackney said and tries to say;

" "It's not surprising that we have victims of domestic battery change their story and do things to protect their batterers as sad as that is, unfortunately," Hackney said."

JSO Hackney is putting blame on her. The report says "victim' says that did NOT happen. Why is JSO HAckney pretending she is just changing story now, when her story was different from JSO in the beginning??

JSO and Hackney are trying too hard to justify this shooting and putting words in people's mouth doesn't help.

It is obvious, JSO went to Cleveland Apts. with the prior understanding they have had "problems' before. JSO escalate a situation that could have been different from JSO actions to trying to arrest immediately. Suspect sounds like he was ready to talk w/  JSO abut what was happening until JSO said "You're under arrest". JSO was trying to arrest him on what a neighbor said, and that's illegal.

I'll talk Ed if you want to.  Gladly

Perhaps you should glady talk to Bill.

[Jax native]

I-10.  That's all you have?  "Thats comical". This is how you respond to comments; criticize them, draw irrational decision about what you want to believe, then challenge anyone who disagrees.

But, the most important part: is you have no facts, no information, no knowledge of what is going on, no previous experience, and seem to rattle off just obtuse comments that make no sense.

Please explain what is so "comical"?  It would be awesome if you took your own advice, and provided links to your statements, but just give me some what you think?  Why so comical?  An unarmed man was shot at 6 times by JSO and was hit w/ 4.  Why?  Why did JSO escalate this situation so fast and violently? 

[Jax native]

Ed, what facts do you want?  Also I was NOT quiet, I just wasn't here.  I was pretty loud where I was.

I'm not sure anyone will ever know the "facts".  it is definitely a he said/she said/he said situation.

My thoughts as it seems I need to clarify what is my thoughts so people somehow would think, that I believe my thoughts are have a link. 

If you read the article in jacksonville TU today.....

"a neighbor told police the man put the three children outside and she was afraid for the woman.

"I swear he is beating the hell out of this girl," '

The above quotes are the reason, I don't trust JSO or their action that day. JSO responds to a call from subject then a neighbor called "I swear he is beating the hell out of the girl"..... JSO ran in only because of what a person who wasn't there said to them. Upon seeing cops in their house, the suspect cooperated then stopped "complying". Why did cops tell him you are under arrest the first time? No one but the first officer said he could see "strangling from outside". NO one else says this. Including victim. Unlike what JSO Hackney said and tries to say;

" "It's not surprising that we have victims of domestic battery change their story and do things to protect their batterers as sad as that is, unfortunately," Hackney said."

JSO Hackney is putting blame on her. The report says "victim' says that did NOT happen. Why is JSO HAckney pretending she is just changing story now, when her story was different from JSO in the beginning??

JSO and Hackney are trying too hard to justify this shooting and putting words in people's mouth doesn't help.

It is obvious, JSO went to Cleveland Apts. with the prior understanding they have had "problems' before. JSO escalate a situation that could have been different from JSO actions to trying to arrest immediately. Suspect sounds like he was ready to talk w/  JSO abut what was happening until JSO said "You're under arrest". JSO was trying to arrest him on what a neighbor said, and that's illegal.

I'll talk Ed if you want to.  Gladly

Perhaps you should glady talk to Bill.

Edjax. you are absolutely correct and my mistake on addressing you to a comment meant to Bill who asked why we (me) were quiet.   My bad on seeing wrong name.  Thanks for helping me clarify. 

Very sorry to bring you in.  Hope you will accept apology. 

[Jax native]

If the person who was shot did in fact run, then attack an officer, take his taser, and point it back at the police, then the shots he received are of no fault but his own.

Very correct point.  Unfortunately, it looks like the scenario JSO ir putting out does not include many facts. 

[I-10east]

I-10.  That's all you have?  "Thats comical". This is how you respond to comments; criticize them, draw irrational decision about what you want to believe, then challenge anyone who disagrees.

But, the most important part: is you have no facts, no information, no knowledge of what is going on, no previous experience, and seem to rattle off just obtuse comments that make no sense.

Please explain what is so "comical"?  It would be awesome if you took your own advice, and provided links to your statements, but just give me some what you think?  Why so comical?  An unarmed man was shot at 6 times by JSO and was hit w/ 4.  Why?  Why did JSO escalate this situation so fast and violently? 

Two different neighbors called in the battering of a woman; You dismissed them like they would have a reason to lie... You're talking about 'my previous experience', you gotta be kidding yourself. What hoods you lived in (just asking)? I lived in Bedford Stuyvesant in Brooklyn, NY in the 80's; In 1986, we (Mom, sister and I) had to leave NY for Jax because of my abusive father; I'm not trying to turn this all sentimental, but I take domestic violence very seriously!

Coming to Jax, we lived in old Durkeeville, and old Brentwood Apts over a good length of time. I got robbed in Brentwood; Have you ever been robbed gunpoint before? Why would you be so bold with that 'experience' reply concerning someone you don't even know? I also know that many women in the hood like rough guys. Do you think I'm just saying this just to be said? Clearly your lack of understanding of what's going on in the black community is apparent.   

[edjax]

If the person who was shot did in fact run, then attack an officer, take his taser, and point it back at the police, then the shots he received are of no fault but his own.

Very correct point.  Unfortunately, it looks like the scenario JSO ir putting out does not include many facts.

Really? You lost me there.

[Jax native]

Ed,  Sorry to loss you.  Just read the comments.  If I've truly "lost ' you, then it's ok to ask questions. 

[Jax native]

I-10.  That's all you have?  "Thats comical". This is how you respond to comments; criticize them, draw irrational decision about what you want to believe, then challenge anyone who disagrees.

But, the most important part: is you have no facts, no information, no knowledge of what is going on, no previous experience, and seem to rattle off just obtuse comments that make no sense.

Please explain what is so "comical"?  It would be awesome if you took your own advice, and provided links to your statements, but just give me some what you think?  Why so comical?  An unarmed man was shot at 6 times by JSO and was hit w/ 4.  Why?  Why did JSO escalate this situation so fast and violently? 

"Two different neighbors called in the battering of a woman"; You dismissed them like they would have a reason to lie... You're talking about 'my previous experience', you gotta be kidding yourself. What hoods you lived in (just asking)? I lived in Bedford Stuyvesant in Brooklyn, NY in the 80's; In 1986, we (Mom, sister and I) had to leave NY for Jax because of my abusive father; I'm not trying to turn this all sentimental, but I take domestic violence very seriously!

Coming to Jax, we lived in old Durkeeville, and old Brentwood Apts over a good length of time. I got robbed in Brentwood; Have you ever been robbed gunpoint before? Why would you be so bold with that 'experience' reply concerning someone you don't even know? I also know that many women in the hood like rough guys. Do you think I'm just saying this just to be said? Clearly your lack of understanding of what's going on in the black community is apparent.

I-10. please send me links to " "Two different neighbors called in the battering of a woman".  I did NOT dismiss the one neighbor, I just asked why she is the only you believe when she wasn't there. 

I worked in State Attorney's office over 6 years developing THE FIRST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIM ADVOCATE  program, ever in Jacksonville.  I know Jacksonville and won't debate you about your own experience, as I won't tell you mine as a domestic violence victim.

I have a very clear understanding of what is going on.  I also have a very clear understanding of laws, JSO protocol, elements need for arrest,  Florida Statues on arrest on misdemeanors and Statues on Domestic Violence. 

This ain't my first rodeo with JSO abuse.  You still are talking imaginary scenarios of what happened.  I'm telling you laws and what facts are.

You want to rage for a domestic violence victim. here you go,   http://www.salon.com/2015/03/31/wife_beating_judge_loses_it_why_mark_fullers_new_defense_is_beyond_the_pale/

White, GOP appointed,  Federal Judge beats his wife up....read his explanation.