Several Major Downtown Projects. All May Need Public Money. Who Should Get It?

[edjax]

Laura St trio if it is realistic.  But have just heard the Adkins group say lots of things and really nothing to date.  So a bit leary of him at this point. If not, then Shipyards.

Is the Laura Trio also not available though for other incentives that the shipyards would not be such money for the historical aspects???

Also, outside of the DiA I would think there other incentives.  I mean I just read where the city provided 18 million for nearly 100 fairly low paying jobs for the Volkswagain deal.  So I can see much more going towards the Shipyard and the payoff would be much greater than the VW thing with regard to job creation, increased tax revenue, quality of life enhancements and overall city pride.

My bad, the 18 million is Jaxport incentives. 

[Todd_Parker]

My vote goes to whichever project adds the most parking to downtown.

[KenFSU]

Whatever ends up being developed (hopefully all), there has to be a deterrent to making any or all finished projects becoming a loitering space for "teens" and other unpleasant people. Nobody with money to spend is going to spend any time navigating the go/no go areas.

This post just displaced #7 on the top ten dumbest posts in MJ history.  Wow. and congratulations.

Would love to be a fly on the wall and witness the chain of events that caused this whole thing to unfold. This random gentleman (or lady) on his lunch break, surfing the internet, when he clicks over to MetroJacksonville to see what is going on in the city.

He reads an innocuous post about potential downtown projects, and his blood begins to boil, thinking of not only all of the downtown unpleasants, but also the hoards of core youths that clog the streets with their reckless loitering.

In dramatic fashion, he angrily sweeps everything off his desk with his arm.

"That's it!" he thinks. "This stops TODAY!"

After years of lurking, he decides to finally take the nuclear option.

With sweaty palms, he clicks on the "Register Now" button. Prompted for a username, he responds:

"JacksonvilleMan."

Taken.

"ConcernedWithTeens."

Taken.

"Turdhead."

All clear.

With steam practically shooting out of his ears, he confirms his email address and clicks back over to the post.

Placing shaking fingers on the home keys, he begins to type.

"Whatever ends up being developed," he writes -- adding "(hopefully all)" to demonstrate that he is truly one of us – "there HAS to be a deterrent to making any or all finished projects becoming a loitering space for "teens" and other unpleasant people."

He places teens in quotation marks. Are they really teens at all?

And by saying, "teens and other unpleasant people," he imparts a valuable lesson – all teenagers are unpleasant monsters.

These "other unpleasant people" remain as much an enigma as the loitering youth. Why are they unpleasant? Do they lack homes? Are they of color? Do they not say 'God bless you' when somebody at Hemming Park sneezes?

Feeling empowered by the first half of his post, he reaches into his bottom desk drawer, pulls out his Hot Topic beret, and places it atop his head.

Like a beat poet, he concludes, "Nobody, with money to spend, is going to spend, any time, navigating the go/no go areas."

Pleased with himself, he depresses the "Post" button, kicks his feet up on his desk, and takes a satisfying bite of his Three Cheese Hot Pocket.

[coredumped]

My vote goes to whichever project adds the most parking to downtown.

Is that a vote for Code Enforcement, to result in more surface parking lots?

[Tacachale]

Whatever ends up being developed (hopefully all), there has to be a deterrent to making any or all finished projects becoming a loitering space for "teens" and other unpleasant people. Nobody with money to spend is going to spend any time navigating the go/no go areas.

This post just displaced #7 on the top ten dumbest posts in MJ history.  Wow. and congratulations.

Would love to be a fly on the wall and witness the chain of events that caused this whole thing to unfold. This random gentleman (or lady) on his lunch break, surfing the internet, when he clicks over to MetroJacksonville to see what is going on in the city.

He reads an innocuous post about potential downtown projects, and his blood begins to boil, thinking of not only all of the downtown unpleasants, but also the hoards of core youths that clog the streets with their reckless loitering.

In dramatic fashion, he angrily sweeps everything off his desk with his arm.

"That's it!" he thinks. "This stops TODAY!"

After years of lurking, he decides to finally take the nuclear option.

With sweaty palms, he clicks on the "Register Now" button. Prompted for a username, he responds:

"JacksonvilleMan."

Taken.

"ConcernedWithTeens."

Taken.

"Turdhead."

All clear.

With steam practically shooting out of his ears, he confirms his email address and clicks back over to the post.

Placing shaking fingers on the home keys, he begins to type.

"Whatever ends up being developed," he writes -- adding "(hopefully all)" to demonstrate that he is truly one of us – "there HAS to be a deterrent to making any or all finished projects becoming a loitering space for "teens" and other unpleasant people."

He places teens in quotation marks. Are they really teens at all?

And by saying, "teens and other unpleasant people," he imparts a valuable lesson – all teenagers are unpleasant monsters.

These "other unpleasant people" remain as much an enigma as the loitering youth. Why are they unpleasant? Do they lack homes? Are they of color? Do they not say 'God bless you' when somebody at Hemming Park sneezes?

Feeling empowered by the first half of his post, he reaches into his bottom desk drawer, pulls out his Hot Topic beret, and places it atop his head.

Like a beat poet, he concludes, "Nobody, with money to spend, is going to spend, any time, navigating the go/no go areas."

Pleased with himself, he depresses the "Post" button, kicks his feet up on his desk, and takes a satisfying bite of his Three Cheese Hot Pocket.

Haha, that, sir, was epic.

[CityLife]

There are forms of cost-benefit analysis that also weigh the public benefits for a project. Instead of basing how to use a finite amount of money subjectively, the city should have some way to measure the benefits of each project in relation to each other.

A very simplistic explanation would be that you evaluate each project against each other this way

-Project X will generate this much property tax revenue, this much sales tax revenue, this much bed tax revenue, will create this many jobs, etc and assign a valuation to each project. You then also add intangible benefits of a project such as creation of public space, aesthetic improvements, potential stimulation of other development, etc.

Then compare each project to each other and determine what the city will get the best ROI on both financially and intangibly.

If project A is only asking for $10 million and will generate $250 million in benefits, it is a no brainer to fund it over Project B asking $8 million that will only generate $200 million in benefits.

However, if project B will stimulate an additional $200 million in nearby development, while project A stimulates $100 million, the choice is different.

I wrote this in 5 minutes, so its not perfectly explained or formulated....but I sure hope COJ has some way to properly evaluate the projects against each other.

[CityLife]

And Ken, bravo sir. Bravo. You might have just surpassed Bill Murray singing Jaws (Love Theme) as the funniest thing I've seen all week.

[PeeJayEss]

Trio by a mile, Healthy Town, Khan!!!!, in that order.
The Landing? No way. Get the Trio done and there's plenty of incentive to re-do the Landing. Get the Trio and the Shipyards done, and downtown would be rolling so well, the Landing will get itself done.Or it will die and someone better will get it.

[jcjohnpaint]

Oh that got me laughing. 
I think turdhead might be Don Redman

[Camelman]

There are several projects that would be good for the city. I would pick the Landing.  T
The city has promised parking since Tony purchased the property.  In reference to
Laura street how do you develop without any money.  Kahan owns the buildings and
nothing can be built without money which seems they have none.  So why should the
City get into bad situation at the start, at least Tony has his own money

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Whatever ends up being developed (hopefully all), there has to be a deterrent to making any or all finished projects becoming a loitering space for "teens" and other unpleasant people. Nobody with money to spend is going to spend any time navigating the go/no go areas.

This post just displaced #7 on the top ten dumbest posts in MJ history.  Wow. and congratulations.

Would love to be a fly on the wall and witness the chain of events that caused this whole thing to unfold. This random gentleman (or lady) on his lunch break, surfing the internet, when he clicks over to MetroJacksonville to see what is going on in the city.

He reads an innocuous post about potential downtown projects, and his blood begins to boil, thinking of not only all of the downtown unpleasants, but also the hoards of core youths that clog the streets with their reckless loitering.

In dramatic fashion, he angrily sweeps everything off his desk with his arm.

"That's it!" he thinks. "This stops TODAY!"

After years of lurking, he decides to finally take the nuclear option.

With sweaty palms, he clicks on the "Register Now" button. Prompted for a username, he responds:

"JacksonvilleMan."

Taken.

"ConcernedWithTeens."

Taken.

"Turdhead."

All clear.

With steam practically shooting out of his ears, he confirms his email address and clicks back over to the post.

Placing shaking fingers on the home keys, he begins to type.

"Whatever ends up being developed," he writes -- adding "(hopefully all)" to demonstrate that he is truly one of us – "there HAS to be a deterrent to making any or all finished projects becoming a loitering space for "teens" and other unpleasant people."

He places teens in quotation marks. Are they really teens at all?

And by saying, "teens and other unpleasant people," he imparts a valuable lesson – all teenagers are unpleasant monsters.

These "other unpleasant people" remain as much an enigma as the loitering youth. Why are they unpleasant? Do they lack homes? Are they of color? Do they not say 'God bless you' when somebody at Hemming Park sneezes?

Feeling empowered by the first half of his post, he reaches into his bottom desk drawer, pulls out his Hot Topic beret, and places it atop his head.

Like a beat poet, he concludes, "Nobody, with money to spend, is going to spend, any time, navigating the go/no go areas."

Pleased with himself, he depresses the "Post" button, kicks his feet up on his desk, and takes a satisfying bite of his Three Cheese Hot Pocket.

[edjax]

Whatever ends up being developed (hopefully all), there has to be a deterrent to making any or all finished projects becoming a loitering space for "teens" and other unpleasant people. Nobody with money to spend is going to spend any time navigating the go/no go areas.

This post just displaced #7 on the top ten dumbest posts in MJ history.  Wow. and congratulations.

Would love to be a fly on the wall and witness the chain of events that caused this whole thing to unfold. This random gentleman (or lady) on his lunch break, surfing the internet, when he clicks over to MetroJacksonville to see what is going on in the city.

He reads an innocuous post about potential downtown projects, and his blood begins to boil, thinking of not only all of the downtown unpleasants, but also the hoards of core youths that clog the streets with their reckless loitering.

In dramatic fashion, he angrily sweeps everything off his desk with his arm.

"That's it!" he thinks. "This stops TODAY!"

After years of lurking, he decides to finally take the nuclear option.

With sweaty palms, he clicks on the "Register Now" button. Prompted for a username, he responds:

"JacksonvilleMan."

Taken.

"ConcernedWithTeens."

Taken.

"Turdhead."

All clear.

With steam practically shooting out of his ears, he confirms his email address and clicks back over to the post.

Placing shaking fingers on the home keys, he begins to type.

"Whatever ends up being developed," he writes -- adding "(hopefully all)" to demonstrate that he is truly one of us – "there HAS to be a deterrent to making any or all finished projects becoming a loitering space for "teens" and other unpleasant people."

He places teens in quotation marks. Are they really teens at all?

And by saying, "teens and other unpleasant people," he imparts a valuable lesson – all teenagers are unpleasant monsters.

These "other unpleasant people" remain as much an enigma as the loitering youth. Why are they unpleasant? Do they lack homes? Are they of color? Do they not say 'God bless you' when somebody at Hemming Park sneezes?

Feeling empowered by the first half of his post, he reaches into his bottom desk drawer, pulls out his Hot Topic beret, and places it atop his head.

Like a beat poet, he concludes, "Nobody, with money to spend, is going to spend, any time, navigating the go/no go areas."

Pleased with himself, he depresses the "Post" button, kicks his feet up on his desk, and takes a satisfying bite of his Three Cheese Hot Pocket.

Sorry, but I find this extremely offensive to all of us Hot Pocket connoisseurs.  Talk about stereotyping. 

[Charles Hunter]

There are several projects that would be good for the city. I would pick the Landing.  T
The city has promised parking since Tony purchased the property.  In reference to
Laura street how do you develop without any money.  Kahan owns the buildings and
nothing can be built without money which seems they have none.  So why should the
City get into bad situation at the start, at least Tony has his own money

and...welcome to the boards Tony!

bwahahahaha .... I thought the same thing.

[marty904]

Whatever ends up being developed (hopefully all), there has to be a deterrent to making any or all finished projects becoming a loitering space for "teens" and other unpleasant people. Nobody with money to spend is going to spend any time navigating the go/no go areas.

This post just displaced #7 on the top ten dumbest posts in MJ history.  Wow. and congratulations.

+1 Good call Stephen!

[Steve]

Kahan owns the buildings and nothing can be built without money which seems they have none.  So why should the City get into bad situation at the start, at least Tony has his own money

I don't know if I should go there, but the man WROTE A CHECK for $760 Million to buy 100% of the Jaguars (the NFL doesn't really allow you to mortgage the cost of buying a team).

I assure you, Khan has money.