AV Homes Wants To Bring San Marco To The Southside

[benfranklinbof]

Agreed ⤴

[spuwho]

Not to get snarky, but what happens if they try to build a Mellow Mushroom there?

I think it's great...Some diversity in home building is good.

[finehoe]

Will the roads be built in grid or the typical one way in and out of a neighborhood?

Their website says

"Old Still will embrace urban park design with streetscapes dedicated to front porch charms and winding sidewalks."

I don't think I've ever seen a street grid with 'winding sidewalks'.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

This is pretty much the real estate equivalent of Dominos selling "Artisan Pizza".

^-------  This.

I love the thought of them doing something unique and different, but fact of the matter is, unless the price is substantially above the average pricing in the area, then unique and different will end up being unoriginal and cheap looking.

[copperfiend]

This is pretty much the real estate equivalent of Dominos selling "Artisan Pizza".

Bravo

[thelakelander]

This is pretty much the real estate equivalent of Dominos selling "Artisan Pizza".

^-------  This.

I love the thought of them doing something unique and different, but fact of the matter is, unless the price is substantially above the average pricing in the area, then unique and different will end up being unoriginal and cheap looking.

It is. These homes will be priced above $300k.

[copperfiend]

Sounds like just another gated community. Similar to Glen Kernan or Jax Golf & CC off Hodges. They are shut off from the rest of the world.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

...unless the price is substantially above the average pricing in the area, then unique and different will end up being unoriginal and cheap looking.

It is. These homes will be priced above $300k.

Are there any conceptual plans out there?  What size footprint is $300k going to provide?  Because if they're trying to do more than about 1,500 sqft for that price, you're getting exactly what you pay for - typical spec home.   

Look, I'm really happy that housing is coming back (along with the bubble that eventually follows), but I've built too many homes, ranging from basic track homes to multi-million custom,  to get my hopes up with this being anything resembling 'new' or 'original'.  I'm not damning the project;  I hope it moves forward, makes a lot of new homeowners happy and provides some much needed work for the subcontractors in the area.  But forgive me if I don't get all worked up for stucco and masonite boxes on concrete slabs.  I would love to be proven wrong on this one, but until I can look at some specs.... Meh.

[Know Growth]

At one point during Brannon Chaffee Sector Plan public workshops (Beltway,Oak Leaf et al) some skeptical residents finally agreed to development if it was patterned after Riverside Avondale.
Hilarious- drive out there for a tiny lot.

"Best Place" R/A certainly a proven driver. Just add River water front placement,control and presence feature  .

Cheers.

[David]

This is a cool concept, but i'm skeptical like most. I want to see some design plans first.

Got me thinking though...If you look in the southeast corner of Duval county, it's mostly undeveloped. Who owns all of that land, the Skinner family?

I can see us looking back on google map archives in 2040  and thinking "wow, where's JTB 2 and 895 at? It's all woods!" 

[thelakelander]

...unless the price is substantially above the average pricing in the area, then unique and different will end up being unoriginal and cheap looking.

It is. These homes will be priced above $300k.

Are there any conceptual plans out there?  What size footprint is $300k going to provide?  Because if they're trying to do more than about 1,500 sqft for that price, you're getting exactly what you pay for - typical spec home.   

Look, I'm really happy that housing is coming back (along with the bubble that eventually follows), but I've built too many homes, ranging from basic track homes to multi-million custom,  to get my hopes up with this being anything resembling 'new' or 'original'.  I'm not damning the project;  I hope it moves forward, makes a lot of new homeowners happy and provides some much needed work for the subcontractors in the area.  But forgive me if I don't get all worked up for stucco and masonite boxes on concrete slabs.  I would love to be proven wrong on this one, but until I can look at some specs.... Meh.

Oh, I don't expect much more than a slightly better version of the average suburban development.  However, I do applaud them for at least attempting to do something different than most of the plain jane stuff popping up around town today.

[CityLife]

This is a cool concept, but i'm skeptical like most. I want to see some design plans first.

Got me thinking though...If you look in the southeast corner of Duval county, it's mostly undeveloped. Who owns all of that land, the Skinner family?

I can see us looking back on google map archives in 2040  and thinking "wow, where's JTB 2 and 895 at? It's all woods!"

Estuary Corp owns 30 square miles of land there, or 20,000 acres. By comparison, Nocatee is only 13,000 acres. The City of Miami is 35 square miles. Lots of big money and local players involved. I believe they have already started entitling some of the land. I think it is pretty safe to assume there will be major growth there in the coming years.

[thelakelander]

^Basically. As the generations pass I'm sure it will be incrementally developed.

[BoldBoyOfTheSouth]

It's definitely a step in the right direction away from dreary suburban style developments.

Though, what makes places like Riverside, Avondale, Murray Hill, Springfield & San Marco so unique is not just the architecture but the interesting people who love there; people who left dull suburbia to the community atmosphere.

You can build homes to match but if everybody drives into their garage and goes inside then it's not really a community. If it comes with all kinds of rules and stay off the grass signs then it really can never evolve into a true community.

[benfranklinbof]

Very true ⤴