AAF NIMBY Group: Florida NOT All Aboard

[thelakelander]

^I think people can see the problem. FEC just doesn't have an obligation to pay for the fixes.

[Lunican]

I don't really see the problem. Check out the BNSF Chicago Subdivision if you want to see heavy rail traffic moving through populated areas. That dwarfs anything the FEC is ever going to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evxwonbiedU

[Lunican]

Here is a good example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KKOEuQoSqqQ#t=745

[spuwho]

I don't really see the problem. Check out the BNSF Chicago Subdivision if you want to see heavy rail traffic moving
through populated areas. That dwarfs anything the FEC is ever going to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evxwonbiedU

So funny Lunican as I was thinking the exact same thing. I also used to live next to the UP West Line (Geneva Sub) only 2 blocks away.

Between Metra and UP coal drags from Powder River we had many trains crossing daily.

The only issue was when their was a accident with a car or someone trespassing. Each municipality on the ROW built at least one bridge to mitigate traffic or emergency services.

They didn't complain or make the railroad pay, they just did it because they felt it was their responsibility.

[jupiter]

Those videos are hysterical and if anything are a testimonial against this passenger rail. 

I would invite you guys to come see this beautiful area, but you'd just want take the train. 

[Lunican]

Why is Jupiter any more special than the Chicago suburbs when it comes to limiting rail traffic?

[thelakelander]

Jupiter is like any coastal sprawlburb in Florida, largely developed since 1950.  Lots of single family housing, recreational boating, gate communities, golf courses, strip malls, bad traffic and water.  However, given that area's size, one would think that they would already have built at least one grade separated crossing.  That's a valid need.  However, that's ultimately not FEC's responsibility.

[spuwho]

Those videos are hysterical and if anything are a testimonial against this passenger rail. 

I would invite you guys to come see this beautiful area, but you'd just want take the train. 

I have been to Jupiter and I agree it's a nice town. But having several trains pass by daily will not destroy it's quality of life.

It's amazing how once one gets used to something how small the intrusion actually is.

Also since AAF is passenger rail it will not be as noisy across any switches or crossings as a freight will be.

Not as heavy, more shock absorption in the cars.

[ChriswUfGator]

Those videos are hysterical and if anything are a testimonial against this passenger rail. 

I would invite you guys to come see this beautiful area, but you'd just want take the train. 

I've been to Jupiter, and as I recall it had more going for it than a lack of trains...

[Scrub Palmetto]

I'm surprised to see passenger and freight train numbers added together just like that, as if they're remotely similar in length. Yeah, it's 32 more trains, but how many of those add up to the disruption of a single 50-100 car freight train? Specifics will go farther than just concerns. Everyone can be a concerned citizen, but concerns have to be weighed against facts, data, expert analysis for good decision making and alternative selection. I'm not expecting a grassroots effort to have all the specifics necessarily, but it should be the goal, the thing to work toward to beef up the argument. See what you can find to support the concern, but also what you can find that doesn't, because realizing a concern is unfounded is one way of addressing it. Not that I'm making any claims that they are, but it's a good idea to be open to that possibility.

[tufsu1]

Another defeat for the anti-AAF folks

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/06/11/269568/court-sidetracks-challenge-to.html

[Crabernacle]

I hope this means we get to hear them kick and scream about getting bowled over by Big Choo-Choo, or whatever infantile slogan they're using these days.

[Know Growth]

Martin County is pretty highly educated

Sometimes Martin County says "Know" to Growth   

[Know Growth]

Regards "Boating" interests,South Florida based Florida Yacht Brokers Association,which has enjoyed some political connection,has voiced concerns. FYBA cites possibly impressive regional marine industry economic and social/recreation aspects.

Apparently the United States Coast Guard might have role in decision.

With so many South Florida back yards,literally,NIMBY stance might be a matter of Land Ethic.