Mellow Mushroom Avondale meets the Parking Requirement

Started by KEGreene1, September 17, 2012, 06:39:52 PM

cline

^I think the whole crux of the issue is that there is a handful of residents that live near the shops (the ones that make up WLA) that think they own the streets and should be the only ones that are allowed to park there.  That's what it comes down to and that's why you hear talk about residential parking decals.

If_I_Loved_you

Quote from: cline on September 21, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
^I think the whole crux of the issue is that there is a handful of residents that live near the shops (the ones that make up WLA) that think they own the streets and should be the only ones that are allowed to park there.  That's what it comes down to and that's why you hear talk about residential parking decals.
Wow this is the first I have heard of 'residential parking decals' what a stupid idea!

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: stephendare on September 21, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
Quote from: If_I_Loved_you on September 21, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: cline on September 21, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
^I think the whole crux of the issue is that there is a handful of residents that live near the shops (the ones that make up WLA) that think they own the streets and should be the only ones that are allowed to park there.  That's what it comes down to and that's why you hear talk about residential parking decals.
Wow this is the first I have heard of 'residential parking decals' what a stupid idea!

one of the stupidest.  and incredibly arrogant.  I suppose that Riverside Avondale is prepared to take over the costs of maintaining the public streets that they would be stealing from the city?

Also I think anyone with such a sticker or decal on their car should be charged to park in any other neighborhood.

That's a great idea, it's just that the enforcement rules seem to be backwards.  If you own a home in the area, you're required to have a tag decal.  If you're car is found parked on a public ROW outside of a designated parking spot instead of your driveway, then you get a ticket.  Simple.
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Bridges

I don't understand how the city hasn't demanded 1 side parking for the area.  As WLA has pointed out, safety vehicles can't make it through.  Isn't that illegal? 
So I said to him: Arthur, Artie come on, why does the salesman have to die? Change the title; The life of a salesman. That's what people want to see.

If_I_Loved_you

Quote from: Bridges on September 21, 2012, 11:17:51 AM
I don't understand how the city hasn't demanded 1 side parking for the area.  As WLA has pointed out, safety vehicles can't make it through.  Isn't that illegal?
Maybe RAP doesn't want it? But you would think with all the really smart people at RAP they could have done something a lot sooner? Or maybe this is where the employee's park that work in Avondale? So many questions so few answers.  ;)

MissMinda

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 21, 2012, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: stephendare on September 21, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
Quote from: If_I_Loved_you on September 21, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: cline on September 21, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
^I think the whole crux of the issue is that there is a handful of residents that live near the shops (the ones that make up WLA) that think they own the streets and should be the only ones that are allowed to park there.  That's what it comes down to and that's why you hear talk about residential parking decals.
Wow this is the first I have heard of 'residential parking decals' what a stupid idea!

one of the stupidest.  and incredibly arrogant.  I suppose that Riverside Avondale is prepared to take over the costs of maintaining the public streets that they would be stealing from the city?

Also I think anyone with such a sticker or decal on their car should be charged to park in any other neighborhood.

That's a great idea, it's just that the enforcement rules seem to be backwards.  If you own a home in the area, you're required to have a tag decal.  If you're car is found parked on a public ROW outside of a designated parking spot instead of your driveway, then you get a ticket.  Simple.

What driveway? Many of the houses in this area do not have driveways and must park on the street.

fsquid

Quote from: stephendare on September 21, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
Quote from: If_I_Loved_you on September 21, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: cline on September 21, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
^I think the whole crux of the issue is that there is a handful of residents that live near the shops (the ones that make up WLA) that think they own the streets and should be the only ones that are allowed to park there.  That's what it comes down to and that's why you hear talk about residential parking decals.
Wow this is the first I have heard of 'residential parking decals' what a stupid idea!

one of the stupidest.  and incredibly arrogant.  I suppose that Riverside Avondale is prepared to take over the costs of maintaining the public streets that they would be stealing from the city?

Also I think anyone with such a sticker or decal on their car should be charged to park in any other neighborhood.

they do the "residential parking decals" in other historic neighborhoods around the country though.  Agree it is dumb, but not without precedent.

acme54321

Quote from: MissMinda on September 21, 2012, 11:43:52 AMWhat driveway? Many of the houses in this area do not have driveways and must park on the street.

Really?  The only houses around the shops without driveways are those that are on the alley behind the shops and have garages back there.  Weak excuse at best.

If_I_Loved_you

Quote from: fsquid on September 21, 2012, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: stephendare on September 21, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
Quote from: If_I_Loved_you on September 21, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: cline on September 21, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
^I think the whole crux of the issue is that there is a handful of residents that live near the shops (the ones that make up WLA) that think they own the streets and should be the only ones that are allowed to park there.  That's what it comes down to and that's why you hear talk about residential parking decals.
Wow this is the first I have heard of 'residential parking decals' what a stupid idea!

one of the stupidest.  and incredibly arrogant.  I suppose that Riverside Avondale is prepared to take over the costs of maintaining the public streets that they would be stealing from the city?

Also I think anyone with such a sticker or decal on their car should be charged to park in any other neighborhood.

they do the "residential parking decals" in other historic neighborhoods around the country though.  Agree it is dumb, but not without precedent.
OK, but we love avondale and RAP would have to be careful what you wish for, once you go down this road it will be hard to stop? Besides were do Employee's who work at the Avondale restaurants and stores park anyways.

acme54321

Neighborhood decals make sense in certain situations, this isn't one.  Gainesville has them in some neighborhhods around UF, because if they didn't the streets would be packed for blocks all around with parked cars all day when 50k students come to campus.  That makes sense.

cline

Enforcement of the parking decals would be a nightmare for the City, especially considering the budget issues COJ is facing.  That's why the whole idea of parking decals would ultimately fail.  Not to mention I would find it hard to believe that any business at the shoppes would support such an idea since it would make it more difficult for customers to patronize their establishments.  As for the emergency vehicles thing- eliminating on-street parking is a no-brainer which would fix this.  Of course, that goes against what WLA wants since residents on one side of the street would no longer be able to park on the street in front of their house.  Because of that, I would assume they would be against it.

ubben

Can't wait to see that fugly derelict gas station and empty corner lot gone. I live two blocks from it and have no problem with the 'parking'. Welcome Mellow Mushroom!!

cline

QuoteBut its not about parking

Correct.  This is not about parking.  We should be talking about solutions (such as transit, like you mentioned) to address mobility in the neighborhood.  Parking is only a symptom and fixing the parking problem does not address the real problem.  But we all know what this is really about and you mentioned them in you post.

strider

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As parking permits have been mentioned,  Annapolis, Maryland has Residential Parking Permit Program/ laws.   ( I tried to insert a link and it does not work completely -  Annapolis Municode, chapter 12-32) I think it has evolved over the years and I think the areas have been reduced in some cases.  I knew someone who lived in a historic area that the streets were almost impassable on a good day and he said that before the permits (no drive for his early 1800's cottage), he never got a parking spot on his own street.  With the permit, he could find one most days.  I do believe that Riverside/ Avondale has a long way to go before permits would be needed to insure anyone would have a parking space on their own street.

http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=16754&stateId=20&stateName=Maryland

And since this is about parking, what do you think about this?

http://www.ci.annapolis.md.us/Government/Departments/CSPurch/forms/PGdecal.pdf

it is a permit for parking again, but this one gives residents free parking in city run garages for two hours every day.  Great incentive to get residents to go downtown.
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