Riot In Riverside! July 4th 2008! riot brings mayhem.

[Eazy E]

Violence sucks, Easy.  But there will always be the poor, violent and ignorant among us.

Fair enough, and i truly share your point. Just, being a Springfield res, and former public high school teacher, i foresee only more of this, on a much larger scale.

[getintoit]

Police logs are public records.  Anyone can get them at the PMB or any substation by just walking in and asking for them.  They charged me $3.00 for the transcript and $.30 for the incident report (#644442 if anyone is interested in getting their own copy).  I did that first thing this morning since I figured since it was a holiday weekend they would be difficult to get any earlier than that.
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Awesome thanks.

[downtownparks]

Violence does suck. However, owning a firearm doesn't mean you are contributing to the violence. It means you are taking a stand, and refusing to let someone else break your peace without paying a price.

Any bets what percentage of these "33's" were done with legal registered fire arms, by individuals who are trained in the use and storage of them?

[RiversideGator]

Unfortunately, I shudder for what this portends for our future.  Again, it pains my liberal conscience to admit that this situation really makes me reconsider my personal policy against owning a firearm. 

Eazy E - you are to be applauded for having the common sense and open mind to re-think your position here though. 

I am as liberal as anyone on this site, yet I feel that a segment of the population is forcing me to become conservative on so many issues.

Welcome aboard.  It has been said that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. 

[Driven1]

Unfortunately, I shudder for what this portends for our future.  Again, it pains my liberal conscience to admit that this situation really makes me reconsider my personal policy against owning a firearm. 

Eazy E - you are to be applauded for having the common sense and open mind to re-think your position here though. 

I am as liberal as anyone on this site, yet I feel that a segment of the population is forcing me to become conservative on so many issues.

Welcome aboard.  It has been said that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. 

I don't think it is "conservative" by any means to exercise one's 2nd Amendment right (recently affirmed by SCOTUS - sad it came to that).  i don't think exercising this right actually should have any political ideology associated with it.

anyone see Morgan Spurlock's most recent "30 Days"  had a 2nd Amendment hater go and live with these gun-lovers.  i was completely surprised...at the end of 30 days, she actually DID kind of convert herself and had to admit that while she would still fight for gun restriction laws, she felt she now had an obligation to make sure the laws she was fighting for would not restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

[Driven1]

Unfortunately, I shudder for what this portends for our future.  Again, it pains my liberal conscience to admit that this situation really makes me reconsider my personal policy against owning a firearm. 

Eazy E - you are to be applauded for having the common sense and open mind to re-think your position here though. 

I am as liberal as anyone on this site, yet I feel that a segment of the population is forcing me to become conservative on so many issues.

Welcome aboard.  It has been said that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. 

I don't think it is "conservative" by any means to exercise one's 2nd Amendment right (recently affirmed by SCOTUS - sad it came to that).  i don't think exercising this right actually should have any political ideology associated with it.

anyone see Morgan Spurlock's most recent "30 Days"  had a 2nd Amendment hater go and live with these gun-lovers.  i was completely surprised...at the end of 30 days, she actually DID kind of convert herself and had to admit that while she would still fight for gun restriction laws, she felt she now had an obligation to make sure the laws she was fighting for would not restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

yawn

while you may find the 2nd amendment boring, those who are defenders of the U.S. Constitution may find reason to disagree with you.

[Driven1]

double yawn.

lol!!!  are you serious?  you find our Constitution and its Amendments boring? 

[getintoit]

no, course not...  for the record, this thread is about the riot in five points.

Are you going to be in Riverside today?
Please tell us what all you plan to do, I am very interested to know.

[Eazy E]

Unfortunately, I shudder for what this portends for our future.  Again, it pains my liberal conscience to admit that this situation really makes me reconsider my personal policy against owning a firearm. 

Eazy E - you are to be applauded for having the common sense and open mind to re-think your position here though. 

I am as liberal as anyone on this site, yet I feel that a segment of the population is forcing me to become conservative on so many issues.

Welcome aboard.  It has been said that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. 

Well, let's not start signing me up for the National Review just yet.  It's also been said (by me) that that conservatives are just liberals who are greedy as all hell and don't care about the ramifications (e.g. global warming, modern slavery in Tom Delay's favorite Marinara Islands, massive poverty on a global level) of that greed, or the blatant hypocrisy of that greed in the face of conservatives' other favorite, Christianity.
/ends only somewhat related rant
I agree, Stephen, that we shouldn't lose focus, but it seems that this is at least tangently related to the cause of this incident: the increasing lawlessness of a broad swath of Jacksonvill'e population.

[Driven1]

ok - so this topic doesn't go veering off wayward, someone just created a

"Stephen Dare and the US Constitution" thread in the "Politics" section...

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,2676.0/topicseen.html


I think stephen is right - let's try to keep this one on the riots downtown.

[Eazy E]

At this point, there is nothing that "can be done". It was an unfortunate violent incident, perpetrated by senseless, violent, immature thug POSes, and handled well by JSO.
Something that I think everyone is missing in this, too, is that this was the 4th of July: spirits, and tensions, run high, especially with teenagers.

[floridakelly]

fjp, thanks so much for giving us the report. I was pretty interested in hearing all that happened on the police side, especially after reading how much doubt there was about those of us breathlessly reporting the events.

Ernest St- I used to live on Ernest St! Strange. Got broken into more times that I'd like to remember.

Now I live on Park close to Five Points and nothing much has changed or happened here since the 4th other than rumors, questions, and lots of theories as to why nobody is reporting this. I guess it's too late now; as soon as this thread dies down, I doubt there will be anyone covering the story.

I googled Boyz of Poison as well and came up with the same info--though I thought the performance was rap rather than dance.

[RiversideGator]

I heard some gunshots in my neighborhood last night too... 

No wait...  It was just kids finishing off their 4th of July fireworks.   

[BridgeTroll]

Unfortunately, I shudder for what this portends for our future.  Again, it pains my liberal conscience to admit that this situation really makes me reconsider my personal policy against owning a firearm. 

Eazy E - you are to be applauded for having the common sense and open mind to re-think your position here though. 

I am almost 100% positive that this was not affiliated in any way with Cool Runnings/Kool Runnings.
I wish i wasn't considering a gun, but Stephen, this is NOT to be chalked up the promoters beyond them hosting an event in an area that is not suited for such an event. This is to be chalked up to the idiot teenagers and 20 somethings in JAx who think the proper response to any slight or minor aggrevation is to shoot someone; this is to be chalked up to a failing public school system that creates predtaory, thugged-out drug dealers who can't read; this is to be chalked up to those same predatory, thugged-out, illiterate drug dealares who have multiple children and don't take care of any of them, even though they didn;t have the financial or emotional ability to support the first one, let alone the enxt one, two, three, or four of them.  This is to be chalked up to Jacksonville's future: people too stupid and too violent to realize they are too stupid and too violent.

I am as liberal as anyone on this site, yet I feel that a segment of the population is forcing me to become conservative on so many issues.

Finally!!  Someone finally put the blame on this incident exactly where it belongs.  Not the promoter... not the police... not the skinny streets or the weather or the holiday.  It was thugs... pure and simple.  They didnt get what they wanted and so they decided to tear the place up.  Too bad they couldnt have dropped a net from the helicopter, scooped every one of em up and dropping em off at the jailhouse...

Pathetic...

[RiversideRatt]

It was the dance group, but there were DJ's inside playing mainstream radio style rap. 

I went into the venue twice. 

There is no connection to Cool Runnings.