The Jacksonville Jaguars

Started by Non-RedNeck Westsider, October 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM

copperfiend

Quote from: mtraininjax on April 17, 2012, 07:29:55 AM
Knighton will suck when he returns, the Jags put a Nutritionist with him, which to me means, they are afraid he is going to eat his way through his injury, and then return and be out of shape and a bust. This is his last year, and I do not expect him to return and be the same player. That said, we will need a backup for him as well as a stud DE.

You're clueless.

duvaldude08

Some stuff is not even worth commenting on  ::)  Pot Roast will be fine. If he is committed this team and his career, he will watch his weight over the next few months. He's done good thus far. Also, he may not be able to work out at the team facility, but an eye injury will not stop you from getting on a treadmill in your personal time. This is just  a test for him. We all face them in our life. He'll be fine
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Non-RedNeck Westsider

Interesting breakdown on the top two WRs in the draft.

QuoteCosell Talks: Blackmon or Floyd?
by Greg Cosell

The receiver position in the NFL has changed significantly in the last number of years. With the proliferation of multiple receiver sets and the alignment versatility of tight ends, the passing game has expanded considerably. More three-receiver personnel groupings, tight ends who can split wide and threaten all areas of the field, backs who can run vertical routes against overmatched linebackers â€" the NFL has evolved into a matchup league, deriving principally from passing concepts.

This has enhanced the value of wide receivers. The conventional wisdom that existed for many years â€" and still applies in some NFL precincts â€" held that wide receivers, in order to be drafted in the first round, needed to work on the outside, with the ability to win isolation routes against quality corners. If they couldn’t do that, they were seen as marginal prospects, players with minimal upside and limited utility. As recently as the 2006 draft, Marques Colston was selected in the seventh round, the 252nd player chosen. Here’s what one respected draft analyst said about Colston before that draft: “Lacks burst. … Is not going to beat NFL defensive backs with his speed. … Has size to develop into a possession receiver.” It was the right evaluation in 2006, and it remains fair in 2012.

Colston, of course, has produced five 1000-yard receiving seasons over six years in New Orleans. (He only started six games in 2008 due to injury, and therefore finished with a career-low 760 yards.) Sean Payton recognized Colston’s strengths, and more importantly, his limitations, and utilized him accordingly in his multiple personnel and formation offense. Colston primarily aligns inside the numbers, in the slot, and works the short to intermediate areas of the field against slot corners, linebackers and safeties.

Colston is one of many reflective of the larger trend of greater wide receiver production as a function of scheme and design. If Colston, with what we know now, was in the 2012 draft, where would he be selected? Would his limitations lead to a third- or fourth-round grade? It’s a fascinating philosophical question, and one that leads me to Justin Blackmon and Michael Floyd.

Blackmon, by all accounts, is the best receiver in this draft, maybe a top-five pick. Floyd seems to be the consensus second-best wide receiver, but in the eyes of most, not the equal of Blackmon.

I have watched numerous games of both receivers, dating back to 2010. Always keep in mind when evaluating receivers that college production is secondary to physical attributes. The objective is to transition the player to the NFL, and there are two (not the only two, of course) defining factors that must be acknowledged when making that projection. One is the sizeable difference in the hash marks between college and NFL football. In college, there is a defined wide side of the field; that accounts for many easy catches and yards, and says very little about the receiver’s skill set. The second factor is the lack of relative quality at the corner position in college football. It’s rarely discussed, but it must be recognized and conceded.

Blackmon aligned both outside and in the slot in Oklahoma State’s offense. He is smooth and fluid as a route runner. He’s big â€" 6-foot-1, 207 pounds â€" and that size shows in his stride length. He has strong hands and a wide catching radius, comfortably snatching passes that are thrown outside of his body frame. He displays very good body control and flexibility to adjust to poorly thrown balls. With the ball in his hands, he is deceptively quick, displaying the run-after-catch ability you want to see.

Yet I had a number of concerns the more tape I studied, and this is where the transition to the NFL becomes interesting. Blackmon did not consistently explode out of his breaks at the intermediate level. That was the result of a tendency to run too upright on his vertical stem. That can certainly be coached, and it’s always important to remember that no player entering the NFL is a finished product. One thing I’m not sure can be coached, though, is Blackmon’s lack of vertical explosiveness. He did not show a second gear on tape. He was a measured, methodical, one-speed receiver.

That speaks to the thesis I posed at the beginning of the column. How will Blackmon best fit in the NFL? Is he more like Colston, or can he win isolation routes on the outside? Is Hakeem Nicks a valid comparison? They are similar in size, and Nicks has certainly demonstrated the ability to beat NFL corners at all three levels: short, intermediate and deep. I’ve seen comparisons of Blackmon to Michael Irvin. It’s always a stretch to compare a player who has never played an NFL down to a Hall of Famer. Based on my film study, I certainly don’t feel confident saying that about Blackmon.

Floyd exhibited many of the same traits as Blackmon. He has strong hands, a wide catching radius, the ability to make contested catches, and he plays fast with the ball in his hands. Floyd’s a bigger man â€" 6-2 1/2, 220 pounds. Like Blackmon, he did not always explode out of his breaks. In fact, he had a tendency to round off his cuts. But there was one critical difference on film: Floyd was naturally quicker â€" there was a little more snap to his movement. There was a more explosive element to his game. A second distinction that stood out: Floyd showed a burst with the ball in the air. It was noticeable on vertical routes, and that’s important as he transitions to the NFL. I’ve said this before, and I believe it to be a fair comparison: Floyd reminds me of Dwayne Bowe. They are almost identical in size and skill set.

Floyd vs. Blackmon: A fascinating and compelling study. Many will disagree, but I see Floyd as the more complete prospect. The film tells me he has more ability to line up on the outside and win one-on-one. Blackmon’s success will be more a function of scheme, and how he’s utilized in the context of a multi-dimensional passing offense.

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copperfiend

I'm no film rat like Cosell, but Blackmon looks alot faster on the field than Floyd. Having said that, I don't know that either is worth the 7th pick.

blizz01

2012 Jacksonville Jaguars Regular Season Schedule:

Sunday, Sept. 9: at Minnesota, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Sept. 16: Houston, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Sept. 23: at Indianapolis, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Sept. 30: Cincinnati, 4:05 p.m.
Sunday, Oct. 7: Chicago, 4:05 p.m.
Sunday, Oct. 14: Bye
Sunday, Oct. 21: at Oakland, 4:15 p.m.
Sunday, Oct. 28: at Green Bay, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Nov. 4: Detroit, 1 p.m.
Thursday, Nov. 8: Indianapolis, 8:20 p.m.
Sunday, Nov. 18: at Houston, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Nov. 25: Tennessee, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 2: at Buffalo, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 9: New York Jets, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 16: at Miami, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 23: New England, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 30: at Tennessee, 1 p.m

*  I figured that we wouldn't earn a MNF game this season after last year's snoozers; but I do like the ~4pm games @ home in addition to the Thursday nighter.

I-10east

Of course we have the obligatory redundant national game vs IND. We have a BRUTAL stretch (at OAK, at GB, then vs DET)

duvaldude08

Quote from: I-10east on April 17, 2012, 09:39:01 PM
Of course we have the obligatory redundant national game vs IND. We have a BRUTAL stretch (at OAK, at GB, then vs DET)

You consider Oakland part of a brutual strecth? Green bay yes indeed. The Lion..eh its a toss up. They could be good again this year, then again it could have been a fluke season. All in all, I love this schedule! This looks good to me. And the Colts Thursday night match up is perfect. I know several people in different city that love watching AFC south Divisional games. That was a good choice.
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duvaldude08

Quote from: blizz01 on April 17, 2012, 08:47:47 PM
2012 Jacksonville Jaguars Regular Season Schedule:

Sunday, Sept. 9: at Minnesota, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Sept. 16: Houston, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Sept. 23: at Indianapolis, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Sept. 30: Cincinnati, 4:05 p.m.
Sunday, Oct. 7: Chicago, 4:05 p.m.
Sunday, Oct. 14: Bye
Sunday, Oct. 21: at Oakland, 4:15 p.m.
Sunday, Oct. 28: at Green Bay, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Nov. 4: Detroit, 1 p.m.
Thursday, Nov. 8: Indianapolis, 8:20 p.m.
Sunday, Nov. 18: at Houston, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Nov. 25: Tennessee, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 2: at Buffalo, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 9: New York Jets, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 16: at Miami, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 23: New England, 1 p.m.
Sunday, Dec. 30: at Tennessee, 1 p.m

*  I figured that we wouldn't earn a MNF game this season after last year's snoozers; but I do like the ~4pm games @ home in addition to the Thursday nighter.

Prime Time games are all about match ups.
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duvaldude08

Sunshine has cut the golden locks. He looks like a little man now. Hopefully he plays like one.  ;D
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I-10east

Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 17, 2012, 10:13:07 PM
You consider Oakland part of a brutual strecth?

Until the Jags actually win a game on the West Coast, yes. As of late, they have been playing like complete CRAP out there, I can't even remember the last time we won out there on the left coast. Don't overlook that game, trust me.

duvaldude08

Quote from: I-10east on April 18, 2012, 12:50:15 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 17, 2012, 10:13:07 PM
You consider Oakland part of a brutual strecth?

Until the Jags actually win a game on the West Coast, yes. As of late, they have been playing like complete CRAP out there, I can't even remember the last time we won out there on the left coast. Don't overlook that game, trust me.

Oh thats what you mean.  Because I have never seen the Raiders as any kind of threat on the field. I will admit, They did battle with us down to the wire in 2010. (largely thanks to our suckey defense that year.) Weve won the past two meetings, lets hope we can beat them in their house.
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I-10east

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Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 18, 2012, 12:54:12 AM
Because I have never seen the Raiders as any kind of threat on the field. I will admit, They did battle with us down to the wire in 2010.

That was a great game, talk about a scare! We came back down from a double digits in that game. Hopefully Mike Thomas will jump in a time machine, and revert to that 'Miraculous Hail Mary Mike' and not the last years 'A fan from section 118' Mike.

duvaldude08

Quote from: I-10east on April 18, 2012, 01:04:25 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 18, 2012, 12:54:12 AM
Because I have never seen the Raiders as any kind of threat on the field. I will admit, They did battle with us down to the wire in 2010.

That was a great game, talk about a scare! We came back down from a double digits in that game. Hopefully Mike Thomas will jump in a time machine, and revert to the 'Miraculous Hail Mary Mike' and not the last years 'A fan from section 117' Mike.

Or do you mean Mercedes Lewis? He needs to sleep in the time machine until the season starts. It was awful how he went for playing at such a high level to being a dud. Then again, our franchise had alot of crap going on last year. No normal human being could function normally through that. LOL But our schedule is pretty easy. Especially the first half. The "analysts" on NFL.com even stated we have the easiest schedule out of all the team with new coaches. The schedule is very manageable. And I love that our home opener is not week one. If we can kick the Vikings ass to start the season, that would really help get some butts in the seat for our first home game.
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I-10east

^^^Well said. You're preaching to the choir concerning Marcedes; I ripped him on PFT so many times, I lost track LOL; In speaking of PFT, and the Vikes (I agree, I'll be pissed if we don't beat them) Sh*t just got real concerning their stadium situation, 2012 is the last year at that dump, so barring a miracle, they are destined for a one-way trip to La La Land.

duvaldude08

Quote from: I-10east on April 18, 2012, 01:22:30 AM
^^^Well said. You're preaching to the choir concerning Marcedes; I ripped him on PFT so many times, I lost track LOL; In speaking of PFT, and the Vikes (I agree, I'll be pissed if we don't beat them) Sh*t just got real concerning their stadium situation, 2012 is the last year at that dump, so barring a miracle, they are destined for a one-way trip to La La Land.

I feel really bad for them. That is the only NFL team in that state and they are NOT trying to help them at all. If Im not mistaken there are not asking for any money from public and I think the NFL is also throwing in some cash and they still wont approve it. That is awful man.
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