The Jacksonville Jaguars

[duvaldude08]

Really, he was the worst QB in the league? Lets look at the stats from last year ( regualr season) only

BG:
     CMP    ATT    YDS    CMP%   AVG   TD   LNG   INT   FUM   RAT
       210  413   2,214  50.8      5.36  12     74     11     5     65.4     

Tebow:
      CMP   ATT    YDS   CMP%   AVG   TD   LNG   INT   FUM   RAT
       126   271  1,729  46.5     6.38  12     56      6      7     72.9

Beisdes the completage rate, seems to me that he is slightly better than Gabbert in every other area including overall QB rating. Even with the completage rate, BG is still barely ahead of him with that.

One more important stat
BG : playoff appearances 0 Playoff wins 0
Tebow: playoff appearances 2 Playoff wins 1
       

Completion rating is whats important. If you only complete 46% of your passes, you have a problem. Not to mention, Tebow was not the only person on the team. The running back, kicker and their defense are actually the ones who were winning the games, not him.

It was a team effort, but how come the Broncos only had 3 wins in the previous 17 games before Tebow? Why weren't they all contributing before Tebow??

Let me get this staright, 46.5 is a terrible completage rate, but 50.8 is apparently way better?

Dan, go take a nap or something 

[Dapperdan]

Can't argue with facts.

[duvaldude08]

Can't argue with facts.

And right. and the fact is he still SUCKS. And further more dan, you and I always debate and actually today Im not quite in the mood for it to today. So thats why I told you to go to bed. Anyways, heres something for anyone who needs a good laugh.

Tim Tebow for sale! Tim Tebow for sale! Hurry, while supply lasts! Dial 1-800-runtheball.

Whether you're an NFL general manager or not, you no doubt have been following the news from Denver, where the quarterback has gotten so big, his last name is sometimes used as a verb.
Yes, the previous starter has been Peytoned.

So Tebow is on the store shelf, next to the used linebackers. Likely at a discount price, too. Neither the bank nor the draft list will have to be broken. The Manning Watch has been replaced by the Tebow Watch, though probably with fewer helicopters.

Not sure if you're in the market? Perfectly understandable. But if it'll help, here's a look at the Tebow consumer report, which breaks down the pluses and minuses of your purchase.

Plus: If you win games, you keep your job and your parking place. He wins games.

Minus: Don't ask how. It just confuses the day.

Plus: The language of your quarterback in news conferences will be as clean as an operating room.

Minus: The vocabulary might be a tad bluer among your customers after some of his passes.

Plus: His neck's fine.

Minus: There will be days your head hurts.

Plus: You can display his charisma for all the world to see. You won't be sorry.

Minus: You must keep his quarterback rating on a need-to-know basis. That way, you might quell panic.

Plus: There's a pretty good chance your quarterback will never be found wandering the streets intoxicated late at night, talking about demons.

Minus: The same can't be said for your offensive coordinator.

Plus: He'll produce wonderful fourth quarters.

Minus: Opponents will insist on playing the other three.
Plus: He is sure to visit hospitals, schools and animal shelters.
Minus: Whether he'll ever visit the Super Bowl is a little murky.
Plus: Did you see the playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers?
Minus: Did you see the playoff game against the New England Patriots?

Plus: More of your games will be chosen for prime network times.

Minus: The cameras will constantly be on you for reaction. John Elway sometimes had the look last year of a man watching someone perform a colonoscopy.

Plus: You'll have fewer TV blackouts on Sundays. He's a sensation waiting to happen.

Minus: You'll have more TV cameras on Monday. He's a quarterback controversy waiting to happen.

Plus: He brings more spirituality, and that can be good.

Minus: Or it can be tricky.

Plus: On third-and-1, he is always a danger to run.

Minus: On third-and-7, a lot of your drives will be deader than the

Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts Fan Club.

Plus: Your offense will be energized, when he steps into the huddle with his confidence.

Minus: Your defense will be challenged, when you have three first downs at halftime.

Plus: Your ticket manager will feel like a kid the night before Christmas.

Minus: Your current quarterback will feel like a turkey the night before Thanksgiving.

Plus: He will attract thousands of fervent new fans to your team.

Minus: Wait till you see that fervor if he's No. 2 on the depth chart.

Plus: You'll be a saint for signing him.

Minus: You'll be a heathen for not starting him.

Plus: Doesn't he remind you a lot of Jeremy Lin of the Knicks?

Minus: The Knicks just fired their coach.

Plus: He has so many qualities, why not take a chance? He could be the answer to your prayers.

Minus: What happens after a few games if you're praying for an answer?

Plus: He sure does create a lot of noise.

Minus: He sure does create a lot of noise.

Plus: Boy, could you end up looking smart.

Minus: Boy, could you end up looking dumb.
Operators are standing by now.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So Dan, you like stats.  Me too.  Here's some from earlier in the season that I posted in an attempt to quntify Gabbert's lack of onfield success against perception.  Tebow wasn't a rookie, but his numbers were worse than the other 5 examples.  Enjoy.

Just some useless stats for you guys to see.  I'm sorry that I'm a baseball fan and kind of a number nerd.  Sabermetrics is a hobby.  I keep trying to figure out tendencies from the obscure.  I did some research last night and just wanted to show you guys a comparison that actually says that Gabbert isn't nearly as bad as the stat sheet says.  Actually, he's right in line with all of the other rookies, with the exception of one Andy Dalton, who is out of the grading curve.

We all say that dropped passes are a big problem.  Gabbert has more passes dropped per attempt than any of the other 4 qbs I looked up.  Essentially, our recievers are dropping 8 out of every 100 passes thrown.

• Gabbert - 7.7%
• Dalton - 6.9%
• Tebow - 6.4%
• Ponder - 6.3%
• Newton - 6.0%

Another issue that I keep hearing is about his accuracy.  Well most stat sheets figure that number by Completions/Attempts.  What they don't take into account are drops, throw aways, spikes, etc.  Another mis-leading factor is the fact they use attempts thrown and not the amount of dropbacks.  Their way skews the results for running QBs because when the play breaks down, they're more likely to run instead of pass.  My way is broken down per dropback - the amount of times that they were supposed to throw the ball.

• Dalton - 65.3%
• Newton - 57.7%
• Ponder - 52.2%
• Gabbert - 49.1%
• Tebow - 42.1%

This is one of the ones that I really had to dig for, but it shows that the majority of the mistakes being made are not due to Gabbert specifically.  Everytime a QB drops back, something happens that's that causes a play to go astray, whether it's a sack, just getting hit repeatedly or having to throw the ball in a hurry.  Somtimes it's not the QBs fault when that happens, but it's sort of a judgement call on who's fault, but if you trust the experts....   The numbers below show the percentage of the number of times that QB drops back to pass that he does something that negatively influences the play himself.  Whether it's a rushed throw, or a taking a sack that could have been avoided.  This gives me hope.

• Gabbert - 5.6%
• Newton - 12.3%
• Dalton - 12.8%
• Ponder - 20.8%
• Tebow - 21.3%

What that tells me is for whatever reason, Gabbert only brings it on himself 5.6% of the time, while Ponder is asking for self-inflicted trouble 20.8% of the time or 1 in every 5 times that he drops back to throw the ball. 

Sorry, BTW, none of you will ever get that 3 minutes back after reading this.   

[Dapperdan]

I just want people to admit that stat wise, BG and Tebow are essentialy the same person, so it doesn't seem to matter which one you go for. Both have a long way to go and both may never be any good.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

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[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I just want people to admit that stat wise, BG and Tebow are essentialy the same person, so it doesn't seem to matter which one you go for. Both have a long way to go and both may never be any good.

If you want to look at the obvious ones, sure.  I'll admit.  It's close.  But if you dig down to the root of the stat, you'll see that they're not close at all, as I've done above.  The most telling is the last one.  While he may have some 'exciting' (read, running around the backfield looking for an open reciever) plays, he brings more harm to himself with regards to plays gone bad.  Most of Gabbert's issues were not caused by Gabbert. 

If most fans were as understanding as me, I would have no problem with them bringing in Tebow to play a role.  I think he could be a productive player, just not at the position of QB, but that extremely vocal minority expects nothing but for him to start at the QB position and will be satisfied with nothing less.   

[duvaldude08]

I just want people to admit that stat wise, BG and Tebow are essentialy the same person, so it doesn't seem to matter which one you go for. Both have a long way to go and both may never be any good.

Not really. Tebow and Gabbert were in different situation and have different skill sets. Tebow was on a team with a decent offense and some decent receiver. Gabbert had was not. Tebow played in an offense that was taylor made for him and still struggle. Gabbert struggled in an NFL style offense. Gabbert has a strong arm and can complete some good passes if someone would cacth them. The ONLY downside of Gabbert is that he looks at the rush and panics. Which causes him to realease the ball to soon, which results in an incomplete pass. Gabbert and the entire O-line struggled so we can really judge him just yet. However, team had his chance to prove him self and he only completed 46% of his passes? I see more potential with gabbert than Tebow. Just my thoughts. We could go in circles all day, but the proof will be in the pudding. Results speak for them selves. We shall see.

[Wacca Pilatka]

I just want people to admit that stat wise, BG and Tebow are essentialy the same person, so it doesn't seem to matter which one you go for. Both have a long way to go and both may never be any good.

If you want to look at the obvious ones, sure.  I'll admit.  It's close.  But if you dig down to the root of the stat, you'll see that they're not close at all, as I've done above.  The most telling is the last one.  While he may have some 'exciting' (read, running around the backfield looking for an open reciever) plays, he brings more harm to himself with regards to plays gone bad.  Most of Gabbert's issues were not caused by Gabbert. 

If most fans were as understanding as me, I would have no problem with them bringing in Tebow to play a role.  I think he could be a productive player, just not at the position of QB, but that extremely vocal minority expects nothing but for him to start at the QB position and will be satisfied with nothing less.

That's exactly the issue.  A season's stats can't be reviewed in a vacuum.  I think Gabbert is going to develop into a good QB and Tebow isn't.  No offense to him intended, and certainly no offense intended to Dan.  I'd be fine with having Tebow come to town as a role player, but the demands for him to start will create a toxic atmosphere that will fracture our fan base and damage our national image, particularly because I don't think he'll ever be a good starter.  Also, while Tebow may get positive attention while playing in Denver or some other market, sportswriters who can't wait to smirk at Jacksonville as a college-first town that can't support pro sports will use him as a bludgeon against the city.  I've said my piece on this enough times over the past two years.  And I'm already steamed today over the number of T-U readers who seem to think the Jaguars don't have a single moral or charitable athlete and that Tebow needs to come in to teach them how to be good citizens.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Khan:  "Timmy, I want you to play for the Jags.  How do you feel about coming home?"

Timmy:  "Gee whiz, God bless, Mr. Khan, I would love to come home and keep working hard as I've done my whole life and fulfill my dream of being a real, honest to goodness NFL QB. "

Khan:  "Whoah there Timmy, slow down a bit.  I didn't say I wanted you here to be a QB.  We already have two of those guys - AND - they can throw...."

[interrupted by Gene]:  "The way I see it, I think you'd be better suited playing tight end or maybe throwing you in on some specialty packages designed specifically for your skillset."

Timmy:  "God bless, Mr. Smith, but you mean I won't be a QB?  I promise you that I'll work really hard at it, I'll study harder than anyone else out there, I'll put in the extra time, Jesus willing, I'll do whatever it takes to be a real QB.  I won't let you down, I promise."

[Gene gets up, walks to the other side of the boardroom and tosses Tim a ball]  Gene:  "Timmy, I'll tell you what.  If you can throw 3 spirals in a row and hit me in my hands, I'll make you the starting QB in training camp."

[After 2 holes in the drywall and a bruised GM Gene shin] Khan:  "I've seen all I need to see.  Timmy, I know you'll do well in New York.   Those heathens need a good christian boy like yourself to clean up their locker room.  And just an FYI, Cromartie doesn't run an actual 'orphanage'.  All 84 of those are his kids, ask him their names, he'll tell you."Timmy:  "God Bless. {sniff}"

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

The Messiah lands in New York City New Jersey

[BridgeTroll]

I just want people to admit that stat wise, BG and Tebow are essentialy the same person, so it doesn't seem to matter which one you go for. Both have a long way to go and both may never be any good.

Not really. Tebow and Gabbert were in different situation and have different skill sets. Tebow was on a team with a decent offense and some decent receiver. Gabbert had was not. Tebow played in an offense that was taylor made for him and still struggle. Gabbert struggled in an NFL style offense. Gabbert has a strong arm and can complete some good passes if someone would cacth them. The ONLY downside of Gabbert is that he looks at the rush and panics. Which causes him to realease the ball to soon, which results in an incomplete pass. Gabbert and the entire O-line struggled so we can really judge him just yet. However, team had his chance to prove him self and he only completed 46% of his passes? I see more potential with gabbert than Tebow. Just my thoughts. We could go in circles all day, but the proof will be in the pudding. Results speak for them selves. We shall see.

The proof is ALREADY in the pudding.  How many teams are vying for his playmaking abilities?  3?  4?  You can bet NO ONE is trading a first, second or even third round pick for the former first rounder... hell... he may even end up being cut.  He IS NOT a hot commodity... and there are VERY good reasons for that...

[BridgeTroll]

Jets acquire Tim Tebow from Broncos for fourth-round pick
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 21, 2012, 12:51 PM EDT

APTim Tebow is a New York Jet.

One day after the Denver Broncos signed Peyton Manning as their new starting quarterback, Denver has traded Tebow to the Jets for a fourth-round draft pick.

The trade ends a tenure in Denver with Tebow that was one of the most astonishing two-year stints that any player has ever had with any team. Tebow was a surprise first-round draft pick in the 2010 NFL draft, then surprisingly became the starter in the fifth game of the 2011 season, and then shockingly led the Broncos to a series of improbable comeback victories and became arguably the NFL’s biggest star.

And now Tebow is with the Jets, one of the many teams he beat with a great fourth-quarter comeback last season. It’s not clear whether the Jets plan to allow Tebow to compete for the starting job, or whether they expect him to be a wildcat quarterback, but the player who’s as famous as any in the league is now in the Big Apple.

Mark Sanchez, Tebowmania is in your rear-view mirror.

   

[BridgeTroll]

Jay...Eee...Tee...Ess... Jets Jets JETS   

[I-10east]

Thank you Jets, thank you!!! So now we know that Everbank Field filled with true JAGUAR fans, and not the bandwagon Go-Go Gators, I'm fine with that. I'm glad that smarter heads prevailed concerning the Jags brass.