Georgia plans to toll I-75 and I-575; Jacksonville next?

Started by thelakelander, May 10, 2011, 11:03:30 AM

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BridgeTroll

#15
May 11, 2011, 08:03:29 AM
Place the tolls at all entry and egress points to Duval county.  Charge tolls to workers commuting from Clay, Nassau and Baker counties...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

kathy Jackson

#16
May 11, 2011, 08:13:39 AM
I say place the trolls at the border or maybe the I-talians.
Tolls are dumb!
There are too many crises going on to be arguing with stupid people

iMarvin

#17
May 11, 2011, 08:44:12 AM
Why do all you guys have a problem with people working in one county and commuting to another? That's how all major cities work. Without those people coming to Duval to work, Jacksonville wouldn't have a metro area. It would just be Duval!

JeffreyS

#18
May 11, 2011, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 11, 2011, 08:03:29 AM
Place the tolls at all entry and egress points to Duval county.  Charge tolls to workers commuting from Clay, Nassau and Baker counties...
How about improving the Duval Schools that drove the young families out of Duval County?
Lenny Smash

BridgeTroll

#19
May 11, 2011, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: iMarvin on May 11, 2011, 08:44:12 AM
Why do all you guys have a problem with people working in one county and commuting to another? That's how all major cities work. Without those people coming to Duval to work, Jacksonville wouldn't have a metro area. It would just be Duval!

I dont have a problem except for using the roads and other infrastructure while letting Duval residents pay for them.  A small toll for commuters from other counties would only be fair...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

JeffreyS

#20
May 11, 2011, 09:41:50 AM
They bring their money with them to Jax every day.
Lenny Smash

BridgeTroll

#21
May 11, 2011, 09:46:06 AM
No doubt... a $.50 toll should not be a big deal.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

JeffreyS

#22
May 11, 2011, 09:55:23 AM
Maybe but we should look hard before we do it. How is that toll for parking downtown working out?  I still think a better plan is to make Jax a more desirable place to live, work, play and send your kids to school is a good move too.
Lenny Smash

BridgeTroll

#23
May 11, 2011, 10:01:22 AM
Thats a good idea too.  Hell... make the toll a nickel.  If we had a nickel for every commuter crossing county lines...  :)
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

tufsu1

#24
May 11, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 11, 2011, 08:03:29 AM
Place the tolls at all entry and egress points to Duval county.  Charge tolls to workers commuting from Clay, Nassau and Baker counties...

I think the net result would be a shift of jobs from Duval to those counties....over time, jobs tend to follow residents anyway...we don't need to make accelerate the pattern

thelakelander

#25
May 11, 2011, 10:12:00 AM
How much does it cost to cross the Hudson in NYC?  There's nothing wrong with living in one county and working in another.  The problem arises when one county's residents are subsidizing the other county's lifestyle.  Having Duval County residents partially finance projects like 9B and Chaffee/Outer Beltway to help send people and jobs out of Duval isn't the solution.  With that said, I'm not opposed to a "pay to play" fee (like a toll at the county line), assuming its fair to all.  I also would not have a problem with Duval not investing in our working against projects that ultimately weaken its tax base either.  The money saved by not addressing roads like Blanding, the Outer Beltway, San Jose, A1A, 9B, etc. could be spent in other fashions that give us a higher ROI.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

jandar

#26
May 11, 2011, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 11, 2011, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: iMarvin on May 11, 2011, 08:44:12 AM
Why do all you guys have a problem with people working in one county and commuting to another? That's how all major cities work. Without those people coming to Duval to work, Jacksonville wouldn't have a metro area. It would just be Duval!


I dont have a problem except for using the roads and other infrastructure while letting Duval residents pay for them.  A small toll for commuters from other counties would only be fair...

Every time I fill my gas up in Duval, I pay for road improvements.


JeffreyS

#27
May 11, 2011, 10:26:44 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on May 11, 2011, 10:12:00 AM
How much does it cost to cross the Hudson in NYC?  There's nothing wrong with living in one county and working in another.  The problem arises when one county's residents are subsidizing the other county's lifestyle.  Having Duval County residents partially finance projects like 9B and Chaffee/Outer Beltway to help send people and jobs out of Duval isn't the solution.  With that said, I'm not opposed to a "pay to play" fee (like a toll at the county line), assuming its fair to all.  I also would not have a problem with Duval not investing in our working against projects that ultimately weaken its tax base either.  The money saved by not addressing roads like Blanding, the Outer Beltway, San Jose, A1A, 9B, etc. could be spent in other fashions that give us a higher ROI.

Did/ Is Duval county spend/ Spending money on the Blanding-295 exit, Collins road exit and 9B?  That is just crazy literally sending people away.
Lenny Smash

jandar

#28
May 11, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
For every 50 cents you toll someone to enter Duval County, you lose 50 cents in revenue elsewhere. That daily lunch might get skipped to help cover the weekly tolls.

Everyone that commutes to Jax pays for stuff in Jax with taxes. If Clay/St Johns/Nassau/Baker residents didn't commute to Jax, the Southside of Jax would have less businesses, less tax revenue, etc...

BTW, I-295 straddles Clay/Duval counties. You going to pay a toll driving 295 around the city? Southbound you are technically in Clay County for a few.

jandar

#29
May 11, 2011, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: stephendare on May 11, 2011, 10:22:46 AM
Quote from: jandar on May 11, 2011, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 11, 2011, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: iMarvin on May 11, 2011, 08:44:12 AM
Why do all you guys have a problem with people working in one county and commuting to another? That's how all major cities work. Without those people coming to Duval to work, Jacksonville wouldn't have a metro area. It would just be Duval!


I dont have a problem except for using the roads and other infrastructure while letting Duval residents pay for them.  A small toll for commuters from other counties would only be fair...
Every time I fill my gas up in Duval, I pay for road improvements.



but not in proportion to the amount of expense that it takes to maintain those roads for you.


But there are state roads in Duval County with which my taxes maintain as well. You going to toll me to drive on a state road? SR21 Blanding is a state road. Duval does not own it, and only partially maintains it, the rest comes from the FDOT. US17 is a state/Federal Road, Duval does not own nor maintain it.

Argument lost for entering Duval from Clay.
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