Patterson Apartment Building is coming down.

[Timkin]

Careful now Josh... you will get attacked for wanting to save a historic building, be called a building hugger, and other things

They wouldn't dare. I am deaf and blind. They wouldn't hurt a poor disabled chap, wouldn't they?

-Josh

Not they, buddy

[iloveionia]

This home has built in cement planters under the windows.  I would imagine original to the home.  The entrance steps are magnificient.  There are wrought iron grates for the breath holes in the crawl space.  The house sets high and the base is SOLID brick.  This home is on an alley, but is surrounded by vacant lots.

With pending legislation, new support from an organized community group focused on saving our houses (Preservation SOS,) ALL HOMES FORMALLY APPROVED FOR THE "NON-EXISTENT" FORMAL TRACK SHOULD BE RE-EVALUATED. 

I've asked for a list of approved (formal track,) homes and am told one does not exist.  Gloria has painstakingly gone through past HPC meeting minutes to try to decipher which homes were approved for the track. 

I really think I am going to lose it this time. 

I have pictures but will only be able to post when I get home.

[strider]

I made a point of taking a look at this building today.  The real roof damage is over a semi-enclosed rear porch.  Had the city done it's job per the ordinances and done a quick repair on the rear porch roof (as allowed by code), this roof would be fine.  As it is, the gaping hole one sees simply lets water through to the open porch below.  This issue could be fixed by simply demoing (like they used to at one time) part of the rear porch. I would just take the porch roof and leave the rest at this point.

The roof over the main house has some issues, but is mostly just a mismatch of shingles that look bad.  The front porch looks bad until your realize that the structure, even with the porch ceiling hanging down (looks like it was pulled down rather than fell down), is supporting a fairly substantial dormer.  Looking from the west, the dormer has not sagged so the structure must not be too bad.  There are a few soffit issues (roof deck in this case as the soffits are exposed rafters).

The main house seems straight and is brick on the first floor.  I could not tell if it was real brick construction or just vernier.  The upper floor is old composite siding.  Overall, it looks pretty good.

I, of course, could not go inside, but this house does not seem that bad and should at least be given a stay until it can properly be evaluated for mothballing.

This formal track, I believe, will end with lawsuits. Code presented houses to be put on this "formal track" and the HPC was mislead to get this done.  Then code later says there was no such thing as a formal track and can not tell anyone how many houses were on this non-existing "formal track".  It seems to me that if the houses were given demolition approvals via putting them on this "formal track", which does not exist, then those demolition approves were given illegally and the city needs to inform code to take every single one of those houses back to the HPC (at the very least) and then hope no one who had a house taken sees a lawyer who is smart enough to just go get the minutes of various public meetings and read the forums .

[jcjohnpaint]

Sorry for the ignorant question, but I would like to know:  Being that 'Historic' Springfield is designated a historic district/  Wouldn't be difficult for this person to demolish this house?  Just curious 

[Timkin]

One would reason so , jc.. But if its on a formal track for demolition, I think it was somehow managed. That said, it is not down yet.  Maybe enough outcry would carry some weight towards saving the building .

[wsansewjs]

I made a point of taking a look at this building today.  The real roof damage is over a semi-enclosed rear porch.  Had the city done it's job per the ordinances and done a quick repair on the rear porch roof (as allowed by code), this roof would be fine.  As it is, the gaping hole one sees simply lets water through to the open porch below.  This issue could be fixed by simply demoing (like they used to at one time) part of the rear porch. I would just take the porch roof and leave the rest at this point.

The roof over the main house has some issues, but is mostly just a mismatch of shingles that look bad.  The front porch looks bad until your realize that the structure, even with the porch ceiling hanging down (looks like it was pulled down rather than fell down), is supporting a fairly substantial dormer.  Looking from the west, the dormer has not sagged so the structure must not be too bad.  There are a few soffit issues (roof deck in this case as the soffits are exposed rafters).

The main house seems straight and is brick on the first floor.  I could not tell if it was real brick construction or just vernier.  The upper floor is old composite siding.  Overall, it looks pretty good.

I, of course, could not go inside, but this house does not seem that bad and should at least be given a stay until it can properly be evaluated for mothballing.

This formal track, I believe, will end with lawsuits. Code presented houses to be put on this "formal track" and the HPC was mislead to get this done.  Then code later says there was no such thing as a formal track and can not tell anyone how many houses were on this non-existing "formal track".  It seems to me that if the houses were given demolition approvals via putting them on this "formal track", which does not exist, then those demolition approves were given illegally and the city needs to inform code to take every single one of those houses back to the HPC (at the very least) and then hope no one who had a house taken sees a lawyer who is smart enough to just go get the minutes of various public meetings and read the forums .

Bring on the friggin lawsuits!

-Josh

[L.P. Hovercraft]

Like the new avatar M-train

Ya know, although I can't say I'll be voting for him, I will admit I really like Mike Hogan's logo.  It's almost, dare I say it, Obamaesque in it's simplicity with a twist of that ol' local J-ville charm.  And I like seeing a downtown architectural landmark like the Main Street bridge plastered so damn proudly all over town (although it is kind of sad that you see it mostly in half vacant suburban strip malls).  So, kudos to the graphic designer, but a big "whaaaa?" to the guy that said downtown should be no more of a priority than any other neighborhood in Jacksonville, and yet uses a downtown landmark in his logo.

[peestandingup]

Like the new avatar M-train

Ya know, although I can't say I'll be voting for him, I will admit I really like Mike Hogan's logo.  It's almost, dare I say it, Obamaesque in it's simplicity with a twist of that ol' local J-ville charm.  And I like seeing a downtown architectural landmark like the Main Street bridge plastered so damn proudly all over town (although it is kind of sad that you see it mostly in half vacant suburban strip malls).  So, kudos to the graphic designer, but a big "whaaaa?" to the guy that said downtown should be no more of a priority than any other neighborhood in Jacksonville, and yet uses a downtown landmark in his logo.

I thought that same exact thing first time I saw his logo. This guy's gonna take a giant dump on downtown, yet uses it to get elected like he thinks it's something special. Kind of insulting really.

[Ocklawaha]

Easy to get this stopped... Anyone here remember "The People's Park," in San Francisco? Vacant do nothing lot and "we the people" created a cool park out of it. The police came and smashed through the barricades and "retook the real estate" but they lost the war! The point had been made and we suddenly got listened too. We need to know when this is scheduled to start, be there in numbers, form a human chain around it and sit our butts down and tell them "come and get us." Meanwhile have every MJ blogger, news eye, network, tv, newspaper etc... tipped off to "THE RIOT IN SPRINGFIELD!" They MIGHT ARREST a few, which will get slapped on the wrist and told to behave. The TV, Internet and Papers will see to it IT NEVER HAPPENS LIKE THAT AGAIN IN JACKSONVILLE... EVER!

Hell I'll even bring the flowers...

OCKLAWAHA

[sheclown]

[sheclown]

This home has built in cement planters under the windows.



I would imagine original to the home.  The entrance steps are magnificient.  There are wrought iron grates for the breath holes in the crawl space.  The house sets high and the base is SOLID brick.  This home is on an alley, but is surrounded by vacant lots.

With pending legislation, new support from an organized community group focused on saving our houses (Preservation SOS,) ALL HOMES FORMALLY APPROVED FOR THE "NON-EXISTENT" FORMAL TRACK SHOULD BE RE-EVALUATED. 

I've asked for a list of approved (formal track,) homes and am told one does not exist.  Gloria has painstakingly gone through past HPC meeting minutes to try to decipher which homes were approved for the track. 

I really think I am going to lose it this time. 

I have pictures but will only be able to post when I get home.

[Timkin]

Has wonderful features.  For a City so "broke" they damn sure are demolishing these houses at a horrifying rate.

[hooplady]

What is the City afraid of - that somebody's gonna huff and puff and blow the thing down?  It's brick fercryinoutloud.  Do they not remember the whole point of that tale?!?!?

Oh, wait, judging from the various reports I've read on these houses, the only tale they ever remember is Chicken Little...

[johnnyroadglide]

Someone needs to do a Public Records request to COJ to found out exactly what the building was cited for.

[wsansewjs]

I would love to create a partnership with few other people, then buy this Patterson Apartments property to restore, and then turn it into a rental for college students. That entire block can be tailored for FSCJ, UNF, and JU students

-Josh