Most Annoying Driving Behaivors

[Cricket]

Ya gotta admit it. Sometimes we are the "rude" ones.  How many of you would admit to honking right behind a car that only slowed to look for an address or not sure of directions or some old lady that needs new glasses.
Which reminds me of the old saying, it is always the other driver. Why can't everyone else drive like me fer Christsake?

[Jaxson]

Another annoying driving behavior is when you encounter a stopped vehicle - let's say it's in a parking lot.  The vehicle is stopped for a few seconds.  It looks like it is not going to go anywhere anytime soon.  You go ahead and drive around it; the driver of the stopped car decides suddenly to move his car, too.  How rude!

I call this "Walking" the car.People are guilty of it looking for addresses,real estate and Christmas lights.
It's legal but annoying.Everyone should know to always yield to faster traffic (Even if you "Decide" that driver is wrong.)

It's not the walking the car that annoys me as much as the drivers who suddenly move forward when you are trying to pass their car...

[ChriswUfGator]

• People who don't follow simple and easy traffic laws. It's not a speed suggestion. It's not a stop-if-you-want-to sign, nor light.
• People who think that there are unwritten rules that all are supposed to follow. There are no unwritten rules. Just try following the written ones. If a road is beyond its designed capacity, then you're just part of the problem whether you invent new rules to navigate it or don't.
• Drivers who are impatient or in a hurry and who think those who AREN'T are the problem.
• The system that lets all of the above and their grandma have a license.... to operate a dangerous vehicle. Really, when driving went from a privilege to a separation between "normal" and "what the hell is wrong with you that you don't drive?" then licenses become a waste of ink and plastic. Just give out an American cultural deviant card to anyone who isn't allowed or able to drive and end the whole DMV charade. (You know, like the 'beard cards' BYU gives out to male students who are unable to or shouldn't shave because of medical reasons or disfigurement?)

And yeah, so..... pretty much most of the previous posters here. *dodges tomatoes*

There's no law says I have to open the door for an elderly grandmother in a wheelchair either, but I still do it.

It's about common courtesy, letting faster traffic pass, not blocking turn lanes, etc.

Sorry you apparently need a law telling you to be respectful to others.

It's interesting how selective you can be with that respect on a forum, then. How exactly is it "apparent" what you say? There is nothing in my post about courtesy, because whether I practice it, my pet peeves about other drivers don't revolve around it. They are only about safety and lawfulness. It bugs me more if someone doesn't use a turn signal or pay attention to their surroundings than it would if they were rude (impeding traffic not included, as the law covers that.) There is nothing about operating a potentially dangerous vehicle that you can equate to opening a door for the elderly, especially considering grandma is as capable of running over someone as you are. I am an extremely courteous driver, if you must know, but equally respectful of traffic laws. Most of what you mention are things that are required AND seen as common courtesy. These are not mutually exclusive, and again you don't have to invent new rules to observe them both -- like this weird thing about letting people pass you within a single lane because it's apparently courteous to break rules for people in a big hurry (what is that?!)

This isn't about breaking laws, quit trying to pigeonhole my comments into being about that.

My comments were really very simple, you were claiming there are no unwritten rules but in reality there are. Blocking right turn lanes, refusing to move over for faster traffic, holding people up while you take 10 minutes to carve a 72 point turn across two lanes, that's all the same thing as not opening the door for an elderly woman. It's disrespectful to your fellow human beings. And I don't care if we are talking about go-karts, tricycles, or cars, just be polite.

[ChriswUfGator]

Wait a minute, I'm legally allowed to go over the speed limit on the left lane?  I didn't know that.  Would a judge be ok with that? 

I always thought the fastest I am allowed to go on a road was the speed limit.  Is the limit 80 or something on the left lane while 65 on the right?

Speaking personally, I don't view it as my life's mission to worry about everyone else's driving habits. If someone is going faster than me, I do the polite thing and move over to let them pass. If I wanted to interfere with speeders I would have become a police officer. Two wrongs hardly make a right. You know as well as I do that going 65 in the far left lane is a dick move, I don't have to tell you that.

[Ernest Street]

Jaxson..I wasn't complete with my post. I have seen this in the Riverside Publix parking lot the worst.
Publix customers (and others) in the parking lot..backed out and in the traffic lane should be paying attention to BOTH the front and rear.
How hard is it for them to freeze on the brake pedal till you drive by? when they first opened I almost had several paint scrapers..
Also don't get me started about HUGE 4X4's parked in compact car spaces..
No disrespect here ..but if you have a Dually..you have a truck which you park in the back of the lot!

[Ocklawaha]

Wait a minute, I'm legally allowed to go over the speed limit on the left lane?  I didn't know that.  Would a judge be ok with that? 

I always thought the fastest I am allowed to go on a road was the speed limit.  Is the limit 80 or something on the left lane while 65 on the right?

Speaking personally, I don't view it as my life's mission to worry about everyone else's driving habits. If someone is going faster than me, I do the polite thing and move over to let them pass. If I wanted to interfere with speeders I would have become a police officer. Two wrongs hardly make a right. You know as well as I do that going 65 in the far left lane is a dick move, I don't have to tell you that.

Well from the Shand's bridge to Starke, it's almost all 2 lane highway, at that point one can head on to Gainesville via 301 and the Waldo cutoff which is all 4 lane. The only alternative is to follow the railroad route from Starke, through Brooker, LaCrosse and Alachua, which is 2 lane until one reaches 441, hence 4 lanes to Gainesville. So all of my comments are based on wide open 2 lane country highways.

Can you go faster then the posted speed limit in the left lane? NO. Can you go faster in the left lane just to overtake and pass a slow moving vehicle? NO. Can you go 65 for example when you see the 65 speed limit sign? NO. Can you slow down from 65 when you pass a 45 or 55 mph speed limit sign? NO.

You are not supposed to exceed the posted speed limit regardless if you are passing, or just motoring along. You may not reach the posted speed until AFTER YOU PASS THE SIGN. When you see a speed zone you are supposed to be going THAT speed when you pass the sign... in other words, you speed up after the sign, you slow down before the sign.

OCKLAWAHA

[Ernest Street]

Is Waldo still SATANS speedtrap?

[ChriswUfGator]

This isn't about breaking laws, quit trying to pigeonhole my comments into being about that.

My comments were really very simple, you were claiming there are no unwritten rules but in reality there are. Blocking right turn lanes, refusing to move over for faster traffic, holding people up while you take 10 minutes to carve a 72 point turn across two lanes, that's all the same thing as not opening the door for an elderly woman. It's disrespectful to your fellow human beings. And I don't care if we are talking about go-karts, tricycles, or cars, just be polite.

Mr. Polite, the simple point is that what you are describing are not unwritten. Except maybe the passing within a single lane thing you advocate, if I'm interpreting the description correctly. For that, try on the word unlawful.

Why don't you provide me with the statute number that directs drivers to be polite to one another...

[ChriswUfGator]

Why don't you provide me with the statute number that directs drivers to be polite to one another...

Better yet, why don't you look up statutes and read through the latest Florida Driver's Handbook and tell me what legal, safe, supposedly 'unwritten' 'polite' driving habits aren't already covered.

You're the one arguing there are no "unwritten rules" so since I've said already that the main unwritten rule is to be polite to other drivers, the obligation is on you to prove your argument and demonstrate that the rule is written. That was your argument, not mine. So what's that statute number? Its not my obligation to prove (or as we both know it's incorrect in this case, I suppose 'disprove') your argument for you. If you didn't want to do your own homework, you shouldn't have made that asinine argument.

I have some familiarity with Florida law, and I can assure you there is no statute requiring drivers to be polite to one another, just as there is no statute requiring me to open doors for elderly ladies. But does that mean you shouldn't do it simply because you aren't legally required to? What kind of person needs a law telling them to respect others? Wouldn't respecting others and being polite be an 'unwritten rule'? What a silly argument.

[ChriswUfGator]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Nope. The definition doesn't even apply. Did you even bother reading it before posting that?

Again, you claimed there are no unwritten rules, so you feel there is no obligation to be polite to people or respect your fellow human beings in the absence of a law telling you to do so?

Laughably, considering you're now criticizing it, this was your argument, not mine...

[ChriswUfGator]

None of that is true.

It's wonderful that you can just say that. Unfortunately, all of it is quoted in this thread in black and white.

Such is the nature of message boards. Tends to be rather unforgiving on those who make asinine arguments and then run for the "I never said that" escape hatch when things don't work out. So did you or did you not say that there are no unwritten driving rules? Want me to go back and quote you for yourself?

[CS Foltz]

I can throw one more log on the fire..........coming back from Three Layers the first of the week, person in the right lane decided to make left hand turn to keep from missing their turn. I have good tires and drive defensively, good brakes help also.........no reason to do that! Idiots........plate was Floridian and a graduate of NFU!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Quote me until you're blue in the face; i stand by everything i've posted here. No straw men? That's classic. Logical fallacies are your M.O. It's been pathetically comical, but continuing this is not worth more of anyone's time.

Actually, arguing a point until someone gives up or slips up is more his MO.  And while I don't agree with Chris on most any issue, I have to say that I would enjoy sharing the road with him based on what he's posted on this thread. 

I don't think that I started the thread because of 'Most Illegal Driving Behaviors' because most of them are quite legal, just a pain in my law-breaking ass, but because driving the speed limit in the 'understood' fast lane and forcing me to pass you on the right is just assinine.  I guess we'll all notice your car, Rainfrog, because it will be the one with the red, crusader cape tailing behind you as you enforce all the traffic laws yourself.  Vigilante.

[ChriswUfGator]

None of that is true.

It's wonderful that you can just say that. Unfortunately, all of it is quoted in this thread in black and white.

Such is the nature of message boards. Tends to be rather unforgiving on those who make asinine arguments and then run for the "I never said that" escape hatch when things don't work out. So did you or did you not say that there are no unwritten driving rules? Want me to go back and quote you for yourself?

Quote me until you're blue in the face; i stand by everything i've posted here. No straw men? That's classic. Logical fallacies are your M.O. It's been pathetically comical, but continuing this is not worth more of anyone's time.

Yes, clearly, when you conveniently only ran out of time for this debate once you lost. Funny how that always works.

And I'm taking your nonsensical and tellingly disproportional angry rant to mean that you can't answer my question then? Since you accused me of a straw man argument (which I have to question whether you know the definition of) why don't you answer whether or not you said there are no unwritten driving rules? Because if you did, there is no straw man is there?

Find it comical or don't, I don't care. I don't need your approval. Lol. And as far as logical fallacies, sorry, I haven't made any in this thread or any other. You were the one who made a ridiculous blanket statement that fell apart when you were called out on it, and then later tried to claim you didn't say it, before finally throwing in the towel because you apparently have so many better things to do once something doesn't go your way. That's what I find tragically comical. So I guess we agree halfway on something, at least this was entertaining.

[ChriswUfGator]

Just for the record here, this was your caped-avenger screed;

People who think that there are unwritten rules that all are supposed to follow. There are no unwritten rules. Just try following the written ones. If a road is beyond its designed capacity, then you're just part of the problem whether you invent new rules to navigate it or don't.

And this was my response, and then my response to YOUR failed straw man argument you posted;

There's no law says I have to open the door for an elderly grandmother in a wheelchair either, but I still do it.

It's about common courtesy, letting faster traffic pass, not blocking turn lanes, etc.

Sorry you apparently need a law telling you to be respectful to others.

It's interesting how selective you can be with that respect on a forum, then. How exactly is it "apparent" what you say? There is nothing in my post about courtesy, because whether I practice it, my pet peeves about other drivers don't revolve around it. They are only about safety and lawfulness. It bugs me more if someone doesn't use a turn signal or pay attention to their surroundings than it would if they were rude (impeding traffic not included, as the law covers that.) There is nothing about operating a potentially dangerous vehicle that you can equate to opening a door for the elderly, especially considering grandma is as capable of running over someone as you are. I am an extremely courteous driver, if you must know, but equally respectful of traffic laws. Most of what you mention are things that are required AND seen as common courtesy. These are not mutually exclusive, and again you don't have to invent new rules to observe them both -- like this weird thing about letting people pass you within a single lane because it's apparently courteous to break rules for people in a big hurry (what is that?!)

This isn't about breaking laws, quit trying to pigeonhole my comments into being about that.

My comments were really very simple, you were claiming there are no unwritten rules but in reality there are. Blocking right turn lanes, refusing to move over for faster traffic, holding people up while you take 10 minutes to carve a 72 point turn across two lanes, that's all the same thing as not opening the door for an elderly woman. It's disrespectful to your fellow human beings. And I don't care if we are talking about go-karts, tricycles, or cars, just be polite.

So I take it back, you were half-right, there certainly was a fallacious straw man argument here. It was yours.