Most Annoying Driving Behaivors

[ChriswUfGator]

Nice attempt, but no cigar. Lol. And what happened to all those super-important things you had to do?

Shucks, I guess peace in the middle east will have to wait.

I'm not going to waste time with a point-by-point rebuttal of such an asinine argument. It completely fell off the rails before I even made it past the first quote, as when you re-read your own posts, it's immediately obvious that you tried to staw-man a discussion thread about "Annoying" driving behaviors into becoming one about "Legal" driving behaviors.

That was never what this debate was about, the only one who took it there was you, through your failed logic and your disingenuous attempt to reframe the debate to prop up an otherwise meritless point. Of course, I've already pointed this out to you, but you seem convinced that your own state of denial means the rest of us won't recognize it, and sadly you are mistaken.

And for the record, the original poster who actually started this whole thread has already responded to you directly, and pointed out that you were misstating the topic here. So despite your continued B.S., that really kind of seals the deal here, doesn't it? Your failed straw man wasn't just noted by me, the original poster actually weighed in and called you out on it separately for misstating his topic. Doesn't get much more horse's mouth than that. Lol

I appreciate your failed attempt at an argument, it has certainly been entertaining. And you have demonstrated that, if nothing else, at least you know how to use Wikipedia. But aside from entertainment value, your ship already went down in flames, and I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by demanding that everyone adopt your nonsensical state of denial about what occurred here. You're not weaseling out of it, since I already quoted all your posts. So really, what's the point in your continued screeds?

[ChriswUfGator]

I don't think that I started the thread because of 'Most Illegal Driving Behaviors' because most of them are quite legal, just a pain in my law-breaking ass, but because driving the speed limit in the 'understood' fast lane and forcing me to pass you on the right is just assinine.  I guess we'll all notice your car, Rainfrog, because it will be the one with the red, crusader cape tailing behind you as you enforce all the traffic laws yourself.  Vigilante.

My premise is that lawful driving IS polite driving. Almost every example people bring up of rude driving behavior is behavior that goes against the written rules. What is lawful about slower traffic not keeping right? http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/florida/statutes/florida_statutes_316-081

And uh... I don't enforce traffic laws. I am a very courteous driver. I'm not a vigilante. And I most certainly do not have a red crusader cape.  Capisce? BTW, how was saying any of that polite? I have no beef with you.

Quoted so it doesn't disappear.

This is truly hilarious. As the original poster himself already pointed out to you, your "premise" was actually itself a failed straw-man that attempted to conflate the topic of "annoying" driving behaviors with "legal" driving behaviors.

Total. Fail.

[ChriswUfGator]

Typical and expected. You are a real pill. As soon as I actually show signs of continuing this indefinitely, you butt out, because you were unable to refute my argument the whole time, and still refuse to even try.

I'm not butting out, nor did I have to try to defeat an argument that was entirely self-defeating all by itself.

I am just sitting over here laughing at this, it's really quite funny, Ms. Wikipedia Lecturer, PHD., M.D., J.D., PSY., ETC. ETC. berating me for a straw man, without realizing the irony that her entire point was itself a straw man from the first sentence. It just doesn't get much better than this.

Napoleon once said "when the enemy is making a false move we must take good care not to interrupt him."

[ChriswUfGator]

And you still have a gross misunderstanding of what a straw man argument is.

I find that hilarious, considering I'm not the one in this thread with such a misunderstanding of the concept that I fail to recognize it even when I'm the only one doing it. That would, of course, be you.

I set up no straw man.

Oh yes you did.

And saying your post wasn't in "reply to anyone else" is hilarious. I mean, it's nice you can just say that and all, but thar doesn't make it so. Pretty laughable, considering your post was a reply that you posted in someone else's thread, and was itself nothing more than a failed straw man that misstated that poster's topic right from the get-go. He already called you out for this himself, genius.

[ChriswUfGator]

Typical and expected. You are a real pill. As soon as I actually show signs of continuing this indefinitely, you butt out, because you were unable to refute my argument the whole time, and still refuse to even try.

I'm not butting out, nor did I have to try to defeat an argument that was entirely self-defeating all by itself.

I am just sitting over here laughing at this, it's really quite funny, Ms. Wikipedia Lecturer, PHD., M.D., J.D., PSY., ETC. ETC. berating me for a straw man, without realizing the irony that her entire point was itself a straw man from the first sentence. It just doesn't get much better than this.

Napoleon once said "when the enemy is making a false move we must take good care not to interrupt him."

You still don't understand what one is, do you? That is hilarious!!

This is CLASSIC...

You realize that you just posited another straw man, right? You're misstating my position as being my failure to understand the concept, when the reality is simply that you just don't appreciate my pointing out that you were engaging in it. This has to be some kind of record for unintentional irony.

I hope you're not planning on practicing law, there'd be a lot of people in jail. Unless you were the prosecutor.

[ChriswUfGator]

Oh yes you did.

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I mean, it's nice you can just say that and all, but thar doesn't make it so.

Get a clue.

Thanks to your screeds, I think we all have more than a clue at this point...

[Dog Walker]

In this thread are a number of examples of driving behavior that is NOT polite and also NOT illegal.  Basic Venn diagrams.  The class of legal driving does not contain all of the class of polite driving.

Strawman all burned up.

Annoying people is not polite.

[Dog Walker]

Sure.  You are on a two lane street.  Think Park Street at Post Street in 5 Points going North.  You want to turn left off of Park onto Post.  There are a dozen cars behind you.

You can stay behind the cross walk blocking all of the cars behind you while you wait for an opening in the oncoming traffic to allow you to turn left.  This is legal, but it is not polite.

The polite thing to do is to pull past the cross walk into the intersection so that the cars behind you can go around you in the intersection rather than having to wait through a couple of stop light cycles.  That is both legal and polite.  Polite= non annoying.

Go to Wikipedia and look up Venn diagrams.

[Dog Walker]

Not annoying to have to sit through several cycles of a stop light?  You are WAY more patient than I am.  LOL!

I've had JSO cars go around me in that very intersection when I was waiting to make a left turn.  Legal enough I guess.

Give us some examples of polite, but annoying driving behavior.  Seems a contradiction in terms.

Venn diagrams which illustrate inclusion or exclusion of all or part of a class are not equations.

[ChriswUfGator]

Sure.  You are on a two lane street.  Think Park Street at Post Street in 5 Points going North.  You want to turn left off of Park onto Post.  There are a dozen cars behind you.

You can stay behind the cross walk blocking all of the cars behind you while you wait for an opening in the oncoming traffic to allow you to turn left.  This is legal, but it is not polite.

The polite thing to do is to pull past the cross walk into the intersection so that the cars behind you can go around you in the intersection rather than having to wait through a couple of stop light cycles.  That is both legal and polite.  Polite= non annoying.

Go to Wikipedia and look up Venn diagrams.

Whether that's annoying is rather subjective, but I also question how legal the alternative is.... to pass someone in a single lane of direction traffic just because it's an intersection. Polite, sure. Legal? I guess maybe the car pulling into the intersection is within the law, but as for its politeness, how out of the way should one go to be polite to drivers who just want to do something illegal?

Also, it's not impossible to find a particularly polite behavior annoying. How does that fit into the equation?

Now you're just being uselessly argumentative. Seriously, you're trying to redefine "annoying"?

Ms. Wikipedia PHI-1101, surely you must realize that there are common societal standards for what is considered annoying and impolite. You aren't the arbiter charged with defining those terms, so saying that you don't personally agree with it, or that someone somewhere might not find an annoying thing annoying, is wholly irrelevant. Society in general finds it annoying, and that was the topic of this thread, notwithstanding your half-dozen (and growing) attempts to straw man and reframe this debate into something else in order to suit your otherwise nonsensical points.

Doesn't all of this run up a red flag for you? When you find yourself having to resort to redefining commonly understood words in order to avoid responding to the flaws in your argument, doesn't that make you take a second look at your position? And I guess that was rhetorical, since you've made it quite clear the Empress firmly believes she's clothed.

[ChriswUfGator]

Not annoying to have to sit through several cycles of a stop light?  You are WAY more patient than I am.  LOL!

I've had JSO cars go around me in that very intersection when I was waiting to make a left turn.  Legal enough I guess.

Give us some examples of polite, but annoying driving behavior.  Seems a contradiction in terms.

Venn diagrams which illustrate inclusion or exclusion of all or part of a class are not equations.

Well, yeah, I probably am more patient. For one thing, I don't commute by car, so I don't often find myself in situations where rules have to be broken to make up for a road design that is grossly over capacity, and when I do find myself on such a road, I don't find it annoying, because I'm probably not in a hurry.

The equation I was referring to was: "Polite= non annoying."

And I didn't mean driving behaviors in particular, but there are plenty of polite things that could be annoying. I've known people who find "Southern hospitality" annoying -- not that I can relate, as I grew up in the South. But annoying is subjective.

Polite, to me, is more about intentions than interpretation. Annoying is more about interpretation than intentions. As for driving, what if you're being polite to one driver and annoying to another? Or polite to drivers but annoying to pedestrians? They're not completely equal. As a pedestrian I've found myself annoyed by drivers who are just trying to be polite to other drivers but not as aware of others sharing the ROW.

JSO cars speed all the time, too, and not always for a legitimate reason other than just being as able to get away with it as anyone else.

The word "annoying" was clearly meant to be interpreted in its generally accepted use, which doesn't include what 1% of the local population does or doesn't happen to find annoying vs. the other 99% of the local population. The title of this thread, into which you decided to insert yourself, isn't "Most Annoying Driving Behaviors to Rainfrog." The definitions for this discussion aren't determined by you.

I think we've already shown that legal isn't the same thing as polite, and that legal isn't the same thing as not being annoying, so what exactly are we disputing here? This is pretty cut and dried. My point was simply that most of the annoying driving behaviors represent drivers being impolite to other drivers. Neither this thread nor my comments had anything to do with legality. That was never the point. You made the comment that "there are no unwritten rules." You didn't say there are no "unwritten laws" and laws were never the point to begin with.

Pardon me for being old-fashioned, but I think if drivers were even remotely polite to one another most of the behaviors on the list in this thread would probably disappear. Case in point, you and I have been rather nasty to one another in this thread, but what law have we broken? You were equating two totally unrelated things.

[Dog Walker]

Rain,  a lot of find JSO's flouting of the rules-of-the-road and impolite driving behavior annoying too.

I agree they do it just because the can.

[Cricket]

You don't know impolite driving until you spend a few years driving in NYC or Boston.  Jacksonville drivers by comparison are tame.

[Dog Walker]

Ain't that the truth! 

I was riding with a friend in Boston once, who zoomed around like a mad thing and changed lanes and turned without ever using a turn signal.  When I asked him why he never used a turn signal he gave me a look like I was crazy and said, "If I let people know what I am going to do, they will try to block me!"

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Ain't that the truth! 

I was riding with a friend in Boston once, who zoomed around like a mad thing and changed lanes and turned without ever using a turn signal.  When I asked him why he never used a turn signal he gave me a look like I was crazy and said, "If I let people know what I am going to do, they will try to block me!"

NRW's Law of Blinkers:
No Blinker - You're being a DB and typically cutting someone off.
One Blink of the Blinker - I've checked, I've seen you and I'm getting in that lane.  AKA Statement Blinker
More than one Blink - I see you and I need you to adjust YOUR speed so that I can get over.  AKA Question Blinker

BTW, if I'm on the highway and you hit me with a question blinker, the answer is always going to be, "NO!"