Antarctic Melting Faster, Jacksonville still has no plan

[jaxnative]

I don't know how many billions of tons it will take, but I'm sure we can do it.

I don't think so.

[gatorback]

My point is who cares if it's an order of magnitude, or 10 orders of magnitude:  FTW is jacksonville doing about it?  Stephen:  You're right again.  Outlaw building in the marshes, come up with a plan.  Ocklawaha:  Sorry, why bother  building the world's model LRT when it's just going to  be under wawa. USS Charles F. Adams:  Maybe at Cecil Field? 

[Ocklawaha]

Yes, Gatorback, your right, lot of good it would do us if we're the only city to make an effort... Frankly I think the changes are coming anyway, with or without our help. The one volcano in the Pacific is said to have spewed more toxins into the atmosphere then all of human kind in all of history... Now the "ring of fire is waking up again". I've got property south of Amboy Crater in California which is covered with USGS monitors. One has to ask why? Hasn't moved in 10,000 years. But sits over a fault line, and if the big one hits, Amboy could roar to life. (Gee I'd have a 50 yard line seat) until the bleachers burned under my butt. I saw evidence of this unreal power in Colombia when we got knocked out of bed by a waking volcano. Oh how I wish Florida would just get her mountains back, but how to do it without taking out Mickey?

I'm gonna hit the road for the night, and dream of belching black coal smoke and giant drive wheels!

Ocklawaha

[gatorback]

What's  Jacksonville  doing.   This is what Jax is doing.   

http://www.youtube.com/v/Y9T5cxnowyA

[Charleston native]

Thanks for the update from exxon, jax native.

Its always inspiring, even if factually incorrect and misleading to the point of lying.

Saying that these articles were inspired or financed by Exxon would be construed as lying, don't ya think? Oh that's right, you get your info from DailyKos.

The "deniers" are not on the take. As a matter of fact, the majority of the scientists who refute glo-bull warming live with paltry amounts of income. My guess is that they would've spent that "Exxon check" months ago before risking their prestige and careers in debunking this hoax.

[Ocklawaha]

To be honest, we do have the new Green Building thing going, though I don't recall if it was just City or State or some combination. Someone said "Show me a new Green Building" in a previous thread, okay, 16 Flat (planned & in sales).
On the other hand we are planning 26 plus miles of new freeway, for a fleet of diesel drinking, fume spewing buses that nobody will ride. Vancouver BC is trying to get transit ridership up to 20% and we have just hit 5% so our fix is more of the same? REAL SMART JTA... Golden...

Ocklawaha

[Ocklawaha]

What I think, based on the data from Volcanic gas studies, is we humans CAN have a direct effect on local problems, even regional such as smog, acid rain, ground water pollution etc... But on the big screen of planet earth, we are as much a part of the eco-system as is your friendly neighborhood butterfly. That includes our farms, ranches, roads, bridges, homes, skyscrapers, and war machines... Sorry, were just human. My guy's dont like your guy's and we spend 5 years blowing it all to hell so we can start over. Maybe it's our nature for population control? Then again to an Evolution Junkie, it should be PERFECT, for "Wars and roumors of wars" bring on the survival of the fittest... Gee Darwin would love that one. So would Darwin have embraced Hitler and Tojo, for extermination of inferior races? Ahhh, but I digress. Back to the Eco fight... If nature in the form of a Comet, Astroid, Volcanic "storm" IE: Yellowstone, etc... we are simply screwed. If the ice caps shift, if the planet has a collision, we starve, or freeze, or kill eachother off. Do you remember the near breaking of the US ability that Katrina brought us? Nations around the World came to help us the US? Ramp that up by several disasters, or the scale of the disasters and we're about as likely to come up with a solution as T-Rex back in the day... Doomsday may indeed be near, but theres not a damn thing we can do but try and plan for the possibilities.

News flash: "Florida was awakened this morning at 4:30 am, by massive Earthquakes and explosions, all traffic entering the state is halted, this could be the worst disaster in human history, Orlando it appears is gone, Tampa, Miami, and Jacksonville are largely leveled, The earth under OIA has a raised dome over 1,000 feet in the air... stay with CNN for details..."

You figure it out!

Ocklawaha

[RiversideGator]

Run for the hills!   

[Ocklawaha]

Riverside Gator: Your right! There's not a damn thing we could do about it. The fossil evidence says this is going to happen. I like the Florida scene just because it flys in the face of what the pro's taught all of us in SKOOL "Florida is a Sandbar"... Now, OOPS no, 3,000-30,000 feet down we are VOLCANIC! How cool (or hot) is that? Guess they found this while drilling test holes at OIA, where the volcanic rock forms a huge ring nearly at the surface. Duh? Looking at the record of the periods of history, (whatever your beliefs in Creation, Evolution etc...) the record is layered with Volcanic dust, earth, dust, earth, Space dust, earth, etc... Maybe we're just a bit overdue to get our butt's kicked by mother nature or Father God.

Stephendare: Your right! (or left depending on where one is standing) we should have a plan. I don't think any City in the Nation or the World should be without a complete plan. Phased from minor to doomsday... Food, communications, gas or breathing gear, transport, water, shelter or such. The old Civil Defense network may well have been on the right track. When Cuba had missles pointed at us, every school child had a survival pack in the classrooom. Homes were stocked, and downtown was a beehive of shelters and supplies. How would such a network have effected Katrina? Taken another way what about Bhopal, India?

Ocklawaha

[JeffreyS]

Someday the only people left in the world will those who stole from the ones who planned ahead.

[Charleston native]

The Ice Cappers are financed indirectly through Exxon, Charleston.

Stephen, I'm having problems with Icecap's website. Is there a source you can directly link me to that shows this?

[Ocklawaha]

Those that took from those that had? What a novel concept... Maybe a brain fart really but it made me recall the funniest grave marker I ever saw...

"The Yankees came South in droves and bands
to conquer this, our fair Southern Land.
But this little plot, in this shady spot,
is all this Damned Yankee ever got..."

Ocklawaha
DEO VINDICE!

[downtownparks]

Here is some info about ICECAP. http://icecap.us/index.php/go/experts

Experts

Joseph D’Aleo, Executive Director, Certified Consultant Meteorologist

Joseph D’Aleo was the first Director of Meteorology at the cable TV Weather Channel. He has over 30 years experience in professional meteorology. Mr. D’Aleo was Chief Meteorologist at Weather Services International Corporation and Senior Editor of “Dr. Dewpoint” for WSI’s popular Intellicast.com web site. He is a former college professor of Meteorology at Lyndon State College. He has authored and presented a number of papers as well as published a book focused on advanced applications enabled by new technologies and how research into ENSO and other atmospheric and oceanic phenomena has made skillful seasonal forecasts possible. Mr. D’Aleo has also authored many articles and made numerous presentations on the roles cycles in the sun and oceans have played in climate change.

Mr. D’Aleo is a Certified Consultant Meteorologist and was elected a Fellow of the American Meteorological Society (AMS). He has served as a member and then chairman of the American Meteorological Society’ Committee on Weather Analysis and Forecasting, and has co-chaired national conferences for both the American Meteorological Society and the National Weather Association. Mr. D’Aleo was elected a Councilor for the AMS.

Joseph D’Aleo is a graduate of the University of Wisconsin BS, MS and was in the doctoral program at NYU.

Mr. D’Aleo’s areas of expertise include climatology, natural factors involved in climate change, weather and climate prediction, and North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO).

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Robert C. Balling Jr., Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University

Dr. Robert C. Balling Jr. is a professor in the climatology program at Arizona State University, specializing in climate change and the greenhouse effect. Balling has been a climate consultant to the United Nations Environment Program, the World Climate Program, the World Meteorological Organization, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In addition, Dr. Balling authored The Heated Debate: Greenhouse Predictions Versus Climate Reality. He is also co-aauthor of the book Satanic Gases with Pat Michaels.

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Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist

Dr. Sallie Baliunas, Ph.D. served as part Deputy Director of Mount Wilson Observatory. Her awards include the Newton-Lacy-Pierce Prize of the American Astronomical Society, the Petr Beckmann Award for Scientific Freedom and the Bok Prize from Harvard University. She has written over 200 scientific research articles. In 1991 Discover magazine profiled her as one of America’s outstanding women scientists. She was technical consultant for a science-fiction television series, “Gene Roddenberry’s Earth: Final Conflict,” airing 1997 - 2001. She received her M.A. (1975) and Ph.D. (1980) degrees in Astrophysics from Harvard University.

Her research interests include solar variability and other factors in climate change, magnetohydrodynamics of the sun and sunlike stars, exoplanets and the use of laser electro-optics for the correction of turbulence due to the earth’s atmosphere in astronomical images.

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Thomas A. Birkland, Director of the Center for Policy Research in the Nelson A. Rockefeller College of Public Affairs and Policy at the University of Albany

Dr. Birkland is the Director of the Center for Policy Research in the Nelson A. Rockefeller College of Public Affairs and Policy at the University of Albany. In 2006, he was on leave at the National Science Foundation, where he directed the Infrastructure Management and Hazard Response program in the Division for Civil, Mechanical, and Manufacturing Innovation, Directorate for Engineering. In January 2007 he returned to the University of Albany and to his duties as director of the Center for Policy Research (www. albany.edu/cpr). The Center contains numerous scholars who engage in research on a wide range of policy questions. Professor Birkland is also a co-director of an interdisciplinary Master’s program in Biodiversity and Conservation Policy, and is an adjunct member of the Department of Biological Sciences.

Dr. Birkland’s research and teaching is in the public policy process, with an emphasis of the political, policy, and managerial aspects of natural and human hazards and disasters. He is the author of After Disaster: Agenda Setting, Public Policy, and Focusing Events (1997) and Lessons of Disaster: Policy Change after Catastrophic Events (2006), both with Georgetown University Press. His textbook, An Introduction to the Policy Process (2 nd Ed., M.E. Sharpe, 2005) has been very well received and widely adopted, and in October of 2006, CQ Press released Professor Todd Schaefer of Central Washington University and Dr. Birkland’s edited volume, Encyclopedia of Media and Politics. Dr. Birkland has in recent years visited Thailand and New Orleans in his research on disaster policy. He has published papers in a range of academic outlets, including several articles and book chapters co-written with graduate students.

Recent publications include articles in Social Science Quarterly, Review of Policy Research, Natural Hazards Review, Albany Law Environmental Outlook, and in several edited volumes. Dr. Birkland’s professional experience includes service as an aide to Governor Thomas Kean of New Jersey, and as assistant manager of Strategic Planning at the New Jersey Department of Transportation.

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Reid A. Bryson Ph.D. D.Sc. D.Engr., Global 500 Laureate, Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research, Emeritus Prof. of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI

Reid Bryson received his B.A. degree in geology at Denison University in 1941, and his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Chicago in 1948. It was just the 30th PhD in Meteorology in the history of American education. He joined the faculty of the UW-Madison in 1946 at the end of his military service as a major in the Air Weather Service of the U.S. Arny Air Corps. His first appointment was in the Departments of Geography and Geology (in which he had been a graduate student before World War II).

In 1948, he became the founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology, which has since become the largest and one of the most prestigious meteorology departments in the nation. During the late 1960’s, he was active in the university’s Interdisciplinary Studies Committee on the Future of Man and in subsequent committees that led to the establishment of the Institute for Environmental Studies, of which he became the first director in 1970.

Over his long career as scientist and teacher, Reid Bryson has significantly advanced the understanding of climate, people, and the environment. He has written more than 260 articles and five books ranging over the fields of geology, limnology, meteorology, climatology, archeology, and geography. Most cited climatologist in the world according to British Institute of Geographers article, 5th most cited physical geographer and 11th in list of all geographers.

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Robert Carter, Researcher at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, Australia

Dr. Robert Carter is a paleontologist, stratigrapher and marine geologist with more than thirty years of professional experience and holds degrees from the University of Otago (New Zealand) and the University of Cambridge (England). He has held tenured academic staff positions at the University of Otago and James Cook University (Townsville), where he was Professor and Head of School of Earth Sciences from 1981 to 1999. Dr. Carter has wide experience in management and research administration, including service as Chair of the Earth Sciences Discipline Panel of the Australian Research Council, Chair of the National Marine Science and Technologies Committee, Director of the Australian Office of the Ocean Drilling Program, and Co-Chief Scientist on ODP Leg 181 (Southwest Pacific Gateways). His public commentaries draw on his knowledge of the scientific literature and a personal publication record of more than 100 papers in international science journals on topics which include taxonomic paleontology, paleoecology, the growth and form of the molluscan shell, New Zealand and Pacific geology, stratigraphic classification, sequence stratigraphy, sedimentology, the Great Barrier Reef, Quaternary geology, and sea-level and climate change. B.Sc. (Hons), University of Otago, Geology, 1963. Ph.D., University of Cambridge, Paleontology, 1968. See Bob’s Website

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John Coleman, Founder of The Weather Channel, TV Meteorologist KUSI-TV, San Diego

John Coleman has been a TV weatherman since he was a freshman in college in 1953 and TV was brand new. He still loves predicting the weather and relating to the television viewers. “I also love working at KUSI NEWS”, he adds. “It is a rare thing; a locally owned and managed TV station. And, there are dozens of wonderful people who work here.” John has predicted and shoveled his share of snow. He has been a TV weatherman in Champaign, Peoria and Chicago, Illinois; Omaha, Nebraska, Milwaukee, Wisconsin and New York City. For seven years he was the weatherman on “Good Morning, America” on the ABC Network.

John also cooked up the idea of a cable channel devoted to nothing but weather and spent six years developing “The Weather Channel” on cable. “That’s my baby”, he says. “The bad guys took it away from me, but they can’t steal the fact that it was my idea and I started it and ran it for the first year. I put everything I had into making TWC the success it is.” “As for my “retirement job” at KUSI, it’s the most fun I ever had. And the people of San Diego County have been wonderful to me for well over a decade. That’s very, very nice. And, that’s all I have to say.” With that Coleman gets down to work predicting the weather one more time.
See John’s blogsite
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William Cotton, Professor in the Department of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University

Dr. William Cotton is a Professor in the Department of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University. His main scientific interests include cloud physics and dynamics, and mesoscale meteorology. He has a BS in mathematics and an MS in atmospheric science from the State University of Albany and a PhD in Meteorology from Pennsylvania State University (1970).

Dr. Cotton has distinguished himself in a broad range of professional activities as a publishing scientist (more than 100 papers in peer-reviewed journals, seven chapters in books, authored one book and co-authored two books), advisor of graduate students; editor of journals and member of advisory and review panels. From 1970 to 1974, he worked as a meteorologist at NOAA’s Experimental Meteorological Laboratory in Miami. In 1974, he joined the faculty of Colorado State University and was quickly promoted through the ranks, achieving full Professorship in 1981. At CSU, he has received the Engineering Dean’s Council award for excellence in atmospheric science research, the College of Engineering Abell Faculty Research Graduate Program Support Award and the CSU Research Foundation Researcher of the Year (1993) Award. He has advised 33 PhD and 29 MS graduates.

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Chris De Freitas, climate scientist in the School of Geography, Geology and
Environmental Science at the University of Auckland

Chris has been Head of Science and Technology at the Tamaki campus and Pro Vice Chancellor. He has Bachelors and Masters degrees from the University of Toronto and a PhD from the University of Queensland as a Commonwealth Scholar. For 10 years he was as an editor of the international journal
“Climate Research”. He is an advocate of open and well informed reporting on scientific issues. In recognition of this, he has three times been the recipient of the New Zealand Association of Scientists, Science Communicator Award, and a Merit Award in Science Communication.

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David Deming, Associate Professor of Arts and Science at the University of Oklahoma

David Deming is associate professor of Arts and Sciences at the University of Oklahoma in Norman. He graduated from Indiana University in 1983 with a BS degree in geology and received a Ph.D in geophysics from the University of Utah in 1988.

Prior to his arrival at the University of Oklahoma in 1992, Deming held a National Research Council postdoctoral fellowship at the US Geological Survey in California.

Dr. Deming is the author of more than thirty research papers and a textbook on hydrogeology. He is an associate editor for the journals Petroleum Geology and Ground Water. In addition to geology, Professor Deming is interested in the history and philosophy of science.

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Bob Durrenberger, Retired Climatologist
Bob has been a meteorologist for 65 years and a climatologist for 60+ years. He was the third president of the American Association of State Climatologists and one of the climatologists who gathered at Woods Hole to review the National Climate Program Plan in July, 1979. Al Gore brought him back to the battle. He is writing a book on the controversies involved in climate change.

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Mel Goldstein, Chief Meteorologist for News Channel 8 in Connecticut.

Dr. Mel Goldstein (or Dr. Mel) is a meteorologist, best known as the chief meteorologist for News Channel 8 in Connecticut. Dr. Goldstein was born in Swampscott, Massachusetts where, as Goldstein himself put it, “the conversation was always about the weather.”

Since 1970, Dr. Goldstein has taught at Western Connecticut State University, where he developed the Weather Center and established the first and only Bachelor’s degree program in meteorology in Connecticut. He also developed a severe-storm prediction index used by numerous electric utilities across the country.

He has been a consultant to firms such as IBM, Union Carbide, General Electric, Detroit Edison, Philadelphia Electric, Northeast Utilities and United Illuminating.

Dr. Goldstein’s media career began with a single radio station and by 1976 his broadcasts were on dozens of radio stations nationwide. He then began doing television and in the 1980’s his forecasts were seen across the country on the Satellite News Channel, an all-news cable effort of ABC and Westinghouse. He became the Chief Meteorologist at WTNH-TV in 1986. Dr. Goldstein earned a Ph.D. in Meteorology from NYU and holds honorary doctorates from Albertus Magnus College and Mitchell College.

In addition, Dr. Goldstein has made the transition to author by writing “The Complete Idiot’s Guide To Weather.” It’s a quick and easy guide that can answer any question about weather. The profits from this book are donated to cancer research.

Dr. Mel also wrote a weekly column for the Hartford Courant in Northeast Magazine for 20 years.

All of Mel’s hard work has not gone unnoticed. He has received the President’s Award from Western Connecticut State University for his teaching and community service; the Connecticut Bloomer Award for contributions to the state of Connecticut; and a nomination for an Emmy award for a series of educational vignettes about the weather.

Dr. Mel also won Best of Connecticut poll for an on-air meteorologist on each of the past six years. This reader’s poll is conducted by Connecticut Magazine.

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Vincent Gray

Dr. Vincent Gray is an “Expert Reviewer” for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change; he has published many papers on climate science including detailed critiques on each of the IPCC science reports. The latest “The Greenhouse Delusion: a Critique of Climate Change 2001.”

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[Matt]

i have a plan. kill all the penguins. they breathe too much. all that CO2 is whats melting the ice caps after all(what with their dastardly reproduction and what not). they thought we wouldn't find out, they thought it was too obvious...well...i'm watching them...

[Matt]

but serioudly,
global warming is much less of a problem than manbearpig...