Antarctic Melting Faster, Jacksonville still has no plan

[Ocklawaha]

Yes sonny, I was there when Isis met Osiris. at the great pyramid of giza, in the daysof the Pharaohs of Egypt -- and when Cleopatra first saw the approach of Julius Caesar and Marc Anthony...

OCKLAWAHA
the ancient one!

[RiversideGator]

The Sky Is Falling!   

[RiversideGator]

Woods

[jaxnative]

Mar 25, 2008
Misleading Reports About Antarctica

By Joseph D’Aleo, CCM

Last year when Antarctic set a new record for ice extent, it got no media attention. They focused on the north polar regions where the ice set record low levels. This summer when unprecedented anomalous cover continued in the Southern Hemisphere again no coverage. Then this report in the news today. You probably saw it on your favorite network or internet news site (pick one, anyone).

Vast Antarctic Ice Shelf on Verge of Collapse - Latest Sign of Global Warming’s Impact Shocks Scientists
Andrea Thompson Livescience

Please go to http://icecap.us to get a balanced and unhysterical viewpoint on climate.  This article addressess the above doomsday report under the column entitled The Political "Climate".

[jaxnative]

Another great article from the above referenced website in the same column.  Please so to site for rest of article:

Mar 21, 2008
Gore’s 10 Errors: Old and New. Scientific Mistakes and Exaggerations in an Interview in India Today

By Christopher Monckton, Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley

Al Gore no longer gives interviews to the Press except where the interviewer has been carefully pre-selected for his sycophancy and for his lack of elementary knowledge of climate science. Likewise, Gore no longer takes questions from the audience at any public meeting unless he is sure that no one in the audience knows anything of climatology. The interview from which the following list of Gore’s latest scientific errors and exaggerations was compiled appeared in India Today on 17 March 2008.

Error 1: “‘Global warming’ is a planetary emergency. It is a crisis and we have to find ways to come to an agreement to reduce the carbon dioxide.”

The facts: There is no “planetary emergency”. Nor is there a “crisis”. If there is an “emergency” or a “crisis”, it is certainly not caused by “global warming”. The increase in global temperatures between 1980 and 1998, when “global warming” stopped, was only half of the small increase shown in the official temperature records (McKitrick, 2006, 2007 in press). In the decade since 1998 there has been no statistically-significant increase in global temperature (HadCRUt3, 2008; US NCDC, 2008; RSS,2008; UAH MSU, 2008; etc.). In the seven years since early 2001, the trend of global temperature has been downward at a rate equivalent to more than 0.4degrees Celsius (0.75 F) per decade:



Error 2: “Today we the people of this planet would put another 70m tons of global warmingpollution into the earth’s atmosphere.”

The facts: “Global warming pollution” is Gore’s favorite phrase for “carbon dioxide.” However, CO2 is not a pollutant, but a naturally-occurring gas. Together with chlorophyll and sunlight, it is an essential ingredient in photosynthesis and is, accordingly, plant food. The reconstruction of palaeoclimatological CO2 concentrations below, taken from Berner (2001), demonstrates that carbon dioxide concentration today is almost at its lowest level since the Cambrian era 550 million years ago, when there was almost 20 times as much CO2 in the atmosphere as there is today, without any threat to animal or plant life, and without causing the “runaway greenhouse effect” that Gore likes to mention:


See larger image here.  See all ten errors here.

[RiversideGator]

true enough river.   more accurately, marsh and swamp.

Actually, no.  Parts were, most was not.

[jaxnative]

Try breathing a methane/carbon dioxide mix while rubbing sodium on one side of your body and chlorine on the other.

Might make sense if I stuck my head in a space with a TLV of over 1000 ppm CH4 or over 5000 on CO2.  Other than that, it makes about as much sense as the "they're just a front for the evil oil companies" screed.

[RiversideGator]

Nope.  It would not be fair to say this.  There is certainly infill but I would not say it is close to a majority of properties.  Also, this practice has been illegal for some time now.

[RiversideGator]

And the global warmistas certainly have no biases, financial backers or axes to grind.   

[Ocklawaha]

If  you consider a large parcel of land in this city threatened by raising sea levels, one would have to look hard at where I live. Old timers will recall that the entire area East of the Dunes on Southside Blvd, South of Beach and West of the Inter-Coastal all the way to St. Johns County was once simply labeled "TIGER HOLE SWAMP". Today we call it Town Center, Kernan, Hodges, Mayo etc... Today only a tiny bridge on JTB has a sign that says Tiger Hole Swamp, and they are backing condos up to it as I write.

As for big money corporations, sorry guys, money isn't the root of all evil, but the love of it sure is. The infamous Child Labor Cases, The Drug Dealers, The Streetcar Conspiracy of GM, Firestone, Phillips and Standard Oil, The PG&E poisoning 1/2 of a desert community (about 40 miles from my place), LADWP stealing the entire Owens River and killing a 300 mile long farming valley, turning it to a talc desert. Triangle Shirtwaist Fire, Locked doors in a Night Club to make sure patrons PAID UP (they burned up), Love Canal, houses in the way of railroads that got blown up (see the James Family), the list is long indeed. It can't really be argued that having a Mega-Giant around isn't so bad for pretty toys, but when the lungs, blood and liver of our bodies get involved who wants to live in a petro-chemical wasteland?

Ocklawaha
*Actually Isis was pretty hot!

[gatorback]

Thanks for the update from exxon, jax native.

Its always inspiring, even if factually incorrect and misleading to the point of lying.

Methane is also a naturally occuring gas.

ROFL I'm going to ask one of our CalTech research iterns from Argonne National Labs at Austin what the heck that would do to you an unbiased perspective not from our forum . lol

Sodium is naturally occuring element.

Try breathing a methane/carbon dioxide mix while rubbing sodium on one side of your body and chlorine on the other.
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[Ocklawaha]

Methane is also a naturally occuring gas

What a bunch of crap! (oops)

There is a FOOL PROOF way to test this statement... just hold a lighter to your hind quarters and release a large amount of this very natural Methane... You WILL BELIEVE!

and all that good old sodium? Ask why a steam locomotive or the Titanic only used distilled spring water... Because sodium, even the "Safe" crap put in water softner will eat the boiler in nothing flat!

Ocklawaha

[Midway ®]

Try breathing a methane/carbon dioxide mix while rubbing sodium on one side of your body and chlorine on the other.

Might make sense if I stuck my head in a space with a TLV of over 1000 ppm CH4 or over 5000 on CO2.  Other than that, it makes about as much sense as the "they're just a front for the evil oil companies" screed.

Earth's atmosphere already contains about 380 PPMV C02. Don't have too much farther to go to get to 5000 PPM, just an order of magnitude.

I don't know how many billions of tons it will take, but I'm sure we can do it.

[Ocklawaha]

Well I have to give you mega-corportate-chemical types one thing... I think COAL SMOKE is sweet! Even if it does mess with your eyes... Of course mixed with the right amount of heat, and water vapor from safety valves raining back on your blacked face...who cares? Ever hear a multi-chime steam whistle bounce of a high mountain canyon wall? Just gets me all misty eyed...

Ocklawaha

[gatorback]

midway do you even know what an order of magnitude is?