State Rd 9B

[Mattius92]

Yeah, I just wonder if we can get some politicians that actually care about the development of the city, and not just any development, smart development.

I haven't lived that long, and I know of only two Jacksonville mayors, Delaney and Peyton, but to me, seems like Peyton hasn't done shit. Then again, I wonder how the city council is. Delaney at least started the Better Jacksonville Plan, which has done some good. However if commuter rail was thrown into it, I would of been much more happy.

[thelakelander]

The Mobility Plan currently on the table, contains a lot of smart development revisions and changes to the comp plan.  If it passes, change could be coming sooner than a lot of people think.

[Mattius92]

I do say that mobility plan is a godsend. I sure hope it passes.

[north miami]

with all this talk about sprawl, it might be interesting to do another survey of MetroJacksonville posters to see where they live and work.

I'll answer that:

First address in Northeast Florida: Scenic Drive,Middleburg.
Workplace                                 Duval County

As member of early 1980's Clay County Blanding Blvd.Citizen Advisory Committee,I was empowered with a vision.

Current long established address: Avondale
Workplace                                Minutes from home

Current Address

[Mattius92]

That's good for you, at least you have the bright idea, poeple really dont need to drive 30-45 minutes to get to work, but if you need to do it, then you better do it. Sure beats having no job, especially with a huge unemployment rate.

For my situation, my family is divorced and remarried. My dad works out of his house as an project manager, before that he had to drive 35 min one way to get to work, now he doesn't have to drive at all. My stepdad drives all day, but he works in Lake City as an Claims Officer for Allstate. His office is his home, now both my dads have zero commute. I have a 20 minute commute myself, but most of the time I am working at home.

We might be lucky, or just smart, its up to you.

[CS Foltz]

I am all for the Mobility Plan............bring it on!

[north miami]

with all this talk about sprawl, it might be interesting to do another survey of MetroJacksonville posters to see where they live and work.

Here tufsu reveals a common "Planner & Consultant" outlook,and a central component of our regional planning history,public participation and sense of futility.
Attack and marginalize those that would critique.
Here the assumption is that all is fine & dandy within the sprawl ring...why certainly only pesky outsiders question the sprawl ring's own self professed superiority to bad 'ol Duval.
The recent drumbeat for a "Regional" approach to "Growth Management" of course snubs cross county outlooks as seen  in MJ anti sprawl threads.
And the citizens within the sprawl rings find themselves subjected to not so subtle pressures towards "consensus" on "Inevitable" growth-heaven forbid a sprawl ring resident appear "Selfish","Nimby".
During the ill fated Lake Asbury Sector Plan # 1 public participation meetings public audiences were peppered with non resident development interests present to create a certain something in the air.Strong words here indeed.Yet one easily backed up example.
The call to poll MJ posters speaks volumes.

[tufsu1]

maybe I'm just dense today (or everyday), but I have no idea what that means...can you put it in plain English please?

[north miami]

maybe I'm just dense today (or everyday), but I have no idea what that means...can you put it in plain English please?

......in other words,anti sprawl MJ posters living near or in Downtown have no legitimate standing passing judgement on 9B and other outlying areas.
Anti sprawl MJ posteers living in outlying areas are assumed to be selfish and off base relative to some assumed happy neighbors.

[tufsu1]

Others may be saying that, but I'm definitely not...in fact, I live downtown and have generally advocated anti-sprawl policies for quite some time.

That said, I can also see things in a regional perspective...and as an example, don't think that Duval County should be telling St. Johns County or Clay County where and how to develop....there is a place for that, and it is at the regional (NEFRC) and statewide (DCA) levels.

In the end, Jacksonville needs to focus on making itself better....so that people feel they have a fair choice in where they choose to live, work, and play.

[St. Auggie]

In the end, Jacksonville needs to focus on making itself better....so that people feel they have a fair choice in where they choose to live, work, and play.

Amen.  If Jax would make itself the place to be then guess what, it would be the place to be.  People WANT to move out into these "sprawl" areas.  If they didnt, they wouldnt move there REGARDLESS of how much concrete they pour.

[Mattius92]

True, because there is certainly some suburbs that are so much nicer then Jacksonville.

[thelakelander]

By Dan Scanlan
The 111-year-old schoolhouse that humanitarian Eartha White built to teach Bayard's African-American children is gone.

A victim of progress and lack of funding, the one-room schoolhouse last used as a feed store at 7420 Roscoe Ave. off Philips Highway was demolished a few weeks ago to make way for Florida 9B.

Efforts to relocate it to Genovar Park in Bayard started years ago. But with no money to move it out of the way of a state road set to run between Florida 9A and U.S. 1, it was the last structure demolished before construction begins this summer.

"It is a tragic loss because of its association with Eartha White when she was an educator," said Jacksonville's senior historic planner, Joel McEachin. "It was one of the oldest one-room schoolhouses in Duval County, and one of the few remaining landmarks of Bayard."

"Once again the wrecking ball was considered the more prudent measure," added Andrew Morrow, executive director of the Mandarin Museum and Historical Society.
State officials said they worked with the city as it tried to secure an historic preservation grant to save the building, which had been moved at least once in its life.

"The state did offer to donate the building and also donate the cost that would otherwise be used to demolish it and let whatever group preserve it," said state Department of Transportation spokeswoman Sandra Mancil. "The city went to Tallahassee to get a grant to preserve it, and ... the grant was denied."

Eartha White convinced landowner Bartolo Genovar to donate property and wood for a school when she was assigned to teach in Bayard in 1899, according to Wayne Wood's "Jacksonville's Architectural Heritage." After she left, it stayed a school, then a church before it was a feed store.

Full article: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-05-10/story/humanitarian-eartha-white%E2%80%99s-1899-schoolhouse-demolished-make-way-state

[St. Auggie]

Sounds like they tried, but no one cared.  I am not sure the point of posting this article here.  As another reason not to build 9b? If this school house was something many people cared about then someone would have saved it, they were offering it for FREE.  This should be more an angle to get people to care more about our history, not just more anti-9bism.

[copperfiend]

Sounds like they tried, but no one cared.  I am not sure the point of posting this article here.  As another reason not to build 9b? If this school house was something many people cared about then someone would have saved it, they were offering it for FREE.  This should be more an angle to get people to care more about our history, not just more anti-9bism.

The thread is titled "State Rd 9B". The article he posted is in relation to 9B. I guess I don't see the issue with him posting the article.