State Rd 9B

[CS Foltz]

More sprawl, more concrete and still no option for mass transit in the form of rail! Cost per mile is lower from all of the figures that have been posted. Access into the Flagler Center should be paid for by Fortress since it is their development! I still have issue's with public funds being used to provide access to a private development! Not to mention, I would wager there are other things being planned for that area once 9B is in place!

[cline]

still no option for mass transit in the form of rail!

There is an 88' median, which would be enough to accomodate rail.

There is no money for that ramp that you keep referring to.  It is unfunded.

[tufsu1]

with all this talk about sprawl, it might be interesting to do another survey of MetroJacksonville posters to see where they live and work.

[thelakelander]

^That wouldn't lead to much because this city has an urban area on life support.  That life support status, limits options for those seeking to live an urban lifestyle.

[tufsu1]

^That wouldn't lead to much because this city has an urban area on life support.  That life support status, limits options for those seeking to live an urban lifestyle.

fine...maybe we can ask several questions...where do you live, where do you work, and where would you want to live.

from what I can see, many people who might support an urban lifestyle, have still chosen (for one reason or another) to live in what some would consider to be sprawl.

[thelakelander]

You're right.  However, we may find it has less to do with urban/suburban/sprawl and more to do with a city that doesn't realistically offer true urban living for all segments of the local population.

[Bike Jax]

If Jacksonville had it's head out it's collective ass when 295 was built and zoned everything outside of it as agricultural, there would be no need for 9A or 9B. Development would have been contained within 295 and we would still have local farming as a source food. 9B will eliminate the last remaining farms we have in N. FL. and officially put Jax in the running with L.A. for sprawl. Look how well it has worked out for them.

[copperfiend]

If Jacksonville had it's head out it's collective ass when 295 was built and zoned everything outside of it as agricultural, there would be no need for 9A or 9B. Development would have been contained within 295 and we would still have local farming as a source food. 9B will eliminate the last remaining farms we have in N. FL. and officially put Jax in the running with L.A. for sprawl. Look how well it has worked out for them.

How much farmland does 9B go through?

[British Shoe Company]

9B is good for NE Florida.  If anyone feels there are too many people in NE Florida, move to Wakulla, or Liberty County!

[St. Auggie]

British.  I am fine w/ 9B, but I dont think anyone here is against growth per se, but rather HOW Jax is growing. Most on this board want it primarily downtown.  They feel this causes growth for the sake of growth away from the downtown. 

[Mattius92]

Wow, I wonder how they got that first image that I created on google earth. Maybe I should post my proposed Skyway extension plan. However that is purely fictional, yet innovative.

And I have time after time said 9B is important, but I am very vocal on wanting other means of transportation other then more beltways. I live on a farm, and I dont consider that part of Duval farmland its more like woods. Now west Duval like Baldwin Duval can be more considered farmland. Anything west of Cecil is pretty open, and I know because I live there.

That might bring up another point. SR-9B will have little effect on me, while the Outer Beltway, which will really effect me, I am against, not because it less useful or more stupid then 9B, or because it effects me more then 9B, but its $1.8 Billion that I say should be spent on light or commuter rail. I dont want to live in burbs forever, but I dont want to move to downtown Jacksonville in its current state.

[thelakelander]

Its more than being about DT. People don't want unsustainable growth. We're already in a situation where the city has budget shortfalls as a result of unsustainable sprawl.  Highways like 9B and the supporting low density land uses will only continue to make things worse.

[Mattius92]

Going vertical is something Jacksonville hasnt really ever had. We did get the 37-story Peninsula Residential Tower in 2008, and a few more in the general time frame. Then the good ol' housing bubble popped and then the economy took a wonderful plunge. Now several big high density projects have been either canceled or delayed. So are we going to wait for high-density to come, or are we going to build 9B which will promote growth, but not in a very vertical way.

Also 9B helps serve two major sources of employment, Jaxport and Mayport, thats like 100,000+ jobs there. And over $2 billion in annual economic impact.  With the expansion of Jaxport and the possibility of an Aircraft carrier at Mayport that will just mean more and more money for OUR economy not some city that has nothing to do with us.

[cline]

People don't want unsustainable growth.

They don't?  Judging by the amount of people that live in the various low density suburbs of Northwest SJC and Southern Duval it appears that there are a significant amount of people that do.

[thelakelander]

Yes, you don't see people begging to pay more taxes.  In short, take a look at your city's land use regulations.  That drives the pattern of development.