Hadely CRU Hacked and Emails posted

[Lunican]

Interesting article. What data are TV meteorologists analyzing to make a determination on climate change?

[buckethead]

They use the Gaughn Guage.

[buckethead]

Wowsers! Sean Hannity Jr really put the kabash on the wingnuts!

[jandar]

Yeah, the Arctic sea ice extent is now at historic 1977-2000 average for 2009-2010. Didn't hear about that from Maddow either now did you? As a matter of fact, instead of decreasing in March like it normally does, it grew.

You know what that means? In simple terms, we don't know squat about the environment still. And our records are but a small sliver of time. (You do believe the earth is billions of years old right?)

Stephen, do yourself a big favor. Stop trying to find stuff that agrees with your quirkiness for having to find something to bash people on. Instead, do your own research. Stop eating from the spoon that all media feeds you.

[jandar]

Hadley CRU conspired to prevent release of information to scientists who did not hold their own stance. They also conspired with journals to prevent release of contrary views.


Now tell me how that was not wrong and perfectly legal?
Sorry Stephen, the IPCC was wrong, used false evidence, used conjecture from a students paper about glaciers melting (with no scientific fact behind it) and other shenanigans to bolster their claims.

I am just one of a bunch of people who are seeing through the lies, media manipulation, etc.
You do realize that MSNBC's major shareholder is GE right?
You do realize the GE stands to profit hundreds of billions of dollars from AGW bills that setup cap and trade right?

[Lunican]

GE also stands to make a lot of money from their power generation unit.

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[BridgeTroll]

I see no lie whatsoever... where is the lying?

British lawmakers issue mixed report on 'Climategate'


By Karla Adam
Special to The Washington Post
Wednesday, March 31, 2010; 5:31 PM

LONDON -- In the first of three investigations into the scandal some have dubbed "Climategate," lawmakers here sharply criticized a British university Wednesday for what they said was a culture of withholding information, but they added that the integrity of its climate change research was not in doubt.

The 14-member parliamentary committee said in its report it had found nothing to challenge the "scientific consensus" that global warming is occurring and influenced by human activity. It also declared that the scientific reputation of Phil Jones, the head of the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU), remains "intact."

In late November, days before a climate change summit in Copenhagen, more than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents were allegedly leaked or hacked from the CRU and posted online. Climate-change skeptics said the documents provided evidence that scientific data had been tampered with or buried in an effort to silence alternative views on global warming.

Much of the attention has focused on the correspondence by Jones, who admitted to the committee last month that he had written some "awful" e-mails. In December, Jones stepped down from his director's role pending the university's investigations.


In one of the several e-mails by Jones that have come under scrutiny, he wrote to a colleague that he had used a "trick" of adding in temperatures to "hide the decline" -- phrases some said proved that Jones was deliberately conspiring to suppress information that did not fit his view of global warming.

The House of Commons' Science and Technology Committee said that the word "trick" in this context "appears to be a colloquialism for a 'neat' method of handling data" and that the phrase "hide the decline" was meant as "shorthand for the practice of discarding data known to be erroneous."

But although the committee expressed sympathy for Jones, saying he was a scapegoat for other clashes within the scientific community, they condemned the university for mishandling requests under Britain's freedom-of-information rules from climate-change skeptics.

"The leaked e-mails appear to show a culture of non-disclosure at CRU and instances where information may have been deleted to avoid disclosure, particularly to climate-change skeptics. The failure of the university to grasp fully the potential damage this could do and did was regrettable," Phil Willis, the committee chairman, said in a statement.

The panel members said their report was rushed because they wanted it released before the upcoming general election; however, the university has commissioned two other investigations that are expected to be more in-depth. One, headed by Muir Russell, a former civil servant, is investigating allegations of malpractice, while the other, lead by Ernest Oxburgh, a geologist, is reviewing CRU's scientific publications.

Willis urged climate scientists at the University of East Anglia and around the world to practice greater transparency, including publishing raw data and detailed methodologies.

"Governments across the world will be spending trillions of pounds on climate change mitigation," Willis said. "The quality of the science therefore has to be irreproachable."

[BridgeTroll]

I have read the thread and participated in it...

What lie?

[Lunican]

The lie that climate-gate was proof that global warming was a hoax.

[buckethead]

The lie that climate-gate was proof that global warming was a hoax.

I think that^ is a false presumption. The presumption was thus: Data was manipulated in an attempt to sway public opinion in favor of AWG for the purposes of affecting public policy.

[Lunican]

Roll the Fox News clips.

[BridgeTroll]

I dont watch Fox news.

[civil42806]

Heres a good overview of the whole controversy.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,686697,00.html

[BridgeTroll]

 

The entire article is posted in Science and Technology...

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,8112.new.html#new

[BridgeTroll]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18715-climategate-inquiry-points-finger-at-university.html

Climategate inquiry points finger at university
00:01 31 March 2010 by Fred Pearce


Climate scientists need to swallow their misgivings and share their data and working methods with their critics. So concludes an inquiry by British members of parliament into the "climategate" affair, in which damaging emails were copied from a computer server at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, UK, and published on the internet.

But, in an unexpected turn of events, the House of Commons science and technology committee has placed more blame for the debacle on the university than on the scientists at its Climatic Research Unit (CRU), whose emails were stolen, and the unit's director Phil Jones.

This verdict, rushed out before parliament is dissolved for the upcoming general election, puts the official university inquiry launched last December in a strange position. Vice-chancellor Edward Acton asked the inquiry to report on possible misdemeanours at CRU. Now MPs suggest that the university itself may be at least as much to blame.

The MPs found that the leaked emails reveal that a "culture of withholding information appears to have pervaded CRU [that] we consider unacceptable". Some information "may have been deleted", possibly in breach of the law. The MPs do not accept CRU's claim that its staff were simply overwhelmed by requests for data, often frivolous. Rather, CRU's "unhelpful approach" to requests led to them "multiplying".

Sympathy for the scientist
Jones and Acton gave evidence to the MPs during oral hearings at the start of March. The MPs were clearly impressed with Jones's sincerity.

"We can sympathise with Professor Jones, who must have found it frustrating to handle requests for data that he knew â€" or perceived â€" were motivated by a desire simply to undermine his work." His actions were "inevitably counterproductive," the MPs conclude, but much of it was "common practice in the climate science community".

They call for the climate scientists in general to become more open but conclude that, so far as they can tell, "the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact". The MPs say the university shares a lot of the blame for climategate. Its "failure to grasp fully the potential damage [from] non-disclosure of [freedom of information] requests was regrettable", they say. Staff responsible for the implementation of the legislation "found ways to support the culture at CRU of resisting disclosure of information to climate change sceptics".

The release onto the internet of the CRU emails led to allegations of data manipulation, fraud, subversion of the peer-review process and conspiracy to withhold data from critics.

The MPs exonerate Jones and his colleagues on the more lurid charges, but admit they did not have the time to go into some other matters. "We would have preferred to carry out a wider inquiry into the science of global warming itself," they say.

The findings could reverberate beyond the Norwich campus. The MPs say the government should review the rules for giving the public access to data "collected and analysed with UK public money".