State Rd 9B

[Jason]

...........Based on my experience with the intersection of I95/I295/9A, there is very little traffic that uses 9A east from south of town.  I'd say that 80-90% of the northbound traffic (SJC residents) all head straight up I95 into town......................

Not if you work at Mayo, Hecksure drive, Baymeadows, Regency area and points inbetween. Or if you live south and are going to the airport.  Not everybody works downtown.

I often use it to go fishing at Mayport. Much faster than I-95 to Hecksure. WAAAAY better than I-95 to Beach or Atlantic.

It is definitely used, but I was referring to morning commute traffic.

[St. Auggie]

9B will essentially give you an off ramp at Race Track when completed. 

[Jason]

That's my point.  Why build a new road to do the job an interchange will do?

[reednavy]

Cancelled by the FDOT back in the early 90s. Just after they put the rest stop in they tried to put a interchange in at Racetrack and I-95. The problem then was that the  interchange would be too close to the ramps for the rest stop. We all can cite examples of shorter ramps and bad interchanges but the standards have changed since those were installed.

Have you seen what they did on I-10 at Halsema, where a rest area used to be before the Cecil Parkway was built? There tore it down to make way for that interchange, and if FDOT wants an interchange at Racetrack, then they'll do the same.

At the same time, as that area becomes more developed, the need for a rest area will be less and less until FDOT realizes that it isn't necessary anymore. Rest areas are mainly in rural areas, and for good reason. However, with development continuing, the need for the north St. Johns rest area will certainly decline.

Future extensions of 9B do tie an interchange in at or in the vicinity of Racetrack Road and that rest stop, so it will not be there forever.

[St. Auggie]

That's my point.  Why build a new road to do the job an interchange will do?

I am with you, but I think the whole point of this is someday connect 9b w/ the outer outer beltway.  I know most know the final route has not been chosen, but it was my orginal understanding that this was to also complete that loop.  Since these guys seem h@ll bent on getting the outerest beltway complete I would assume this a big part of it.

[Jason]

True.  9B is, infact, a part of the outer beltway and will be the easterly terminus.  Yet another reason for scrapping it.

[tufsu1]

True.  9B is, infact, a part of the outer beltway and will be the easterly terminus.  Yet another reason for scrapping it.

not really....the preferred route for the Outer Beltway hits I-95 between CR 210 and Intl. Golf Pkwy.

the CR 2209 Extension would serve as the connection between 9B and the outer beltway

[stjr]

True.  9B is, infact, a part of the outer beltway and will be the easterly terminus.  Yet another reason for scrapping it.

not really....the preferred route for the Outer Beltway hits I-95 between CR 210 and Intl. Golf Pkwy.

the CR 2209 Extension would serve as the connection between 9B and the outer beltway

Tufsu, maybe you should update yourself with your friends at FDOT.  They are looking at connecting the Outer Beltway to 9B still according to their comments made to the Times Union:

The Transportation Department says the road could end at I-95 between County Road 210 and International Golf Parkway. But it is also considering ending it at the future Florida 9B, which is farther north on I-95.

  "Hey we have this piece, let's just connect it to that one.  Oh, and while we are here,  lets go over here and run a road.  Wow, look at that road, wouldn't it be neat to connect to it?  Isn't this fun, connecting all the 'dots' with roads?  Yippeee!"  This is how we get creeping roads that cast an urban sprawl net over square mile after square mile while the public never really had a fair chance to stop or object to the big picture.

[tufsu1]

stjr...perhaps you should check the project website.

http://www.sjrbridge.com/

you will notice that many alterantives are being studied....Federal rules require that all viable alterantives (including the no-build option) be evaluated in the PD&E study...but you'll notice that the Pink 1 alternative is labeled "locally preferred".

The Public Hearings being held now are the final chance to comment...unless something drastic happens soon, this is what will be forwarded to FHWA for approval.

[jandar]

...........Based on my experience with the intersection of I95/I295/9A, there is very little traffic that uses 9A east from south of town.  I'd say that 80-90% of the northbound traffic (SJC residents) all head straight up I95 into town......................

Not if you work at Mayo, Hecksure drive, Baymeadows, Regency area and points inbetween. Or if you live south and are going to the airport.  Not everybody works downtown.

I often use it to go fishing at Mayport. Much faster than I-95 to Hecksure. WAAAAY better than I-95 to Beach or Atlantic.

It is definitely used, but I was referring to morning commute traffic.

Morning commute from northbound from I295 onto 9A is decent traffic, and getting worse by the day. There is a curve where everyone, no wreck needed, slows from 65-70mph to 40mph. Same going southbound from SJTC in the afternoon/evenings.

[CS Foltz]

tufsu..........no one asked my opinion about squat and I see just how this takes place! Oh, lets have a community meeting where 20 people may show up and this is the opinion that is forwarded and that is not right! FDOT is just going through the motions rather than soliciting honest opinion from the community! Any information can be slanted to reflect anyones view and once again this is neither right nor honest! It reflects what is slanted and that is part of the idea of how government is not responsive to the people who pay the bill!! Government questions why the people basically say, government is not responsive or reflective of what the people want? Something is horribly wrong with this picture!

[stjr]

stjr...perhaps you should check the project website.

http://www.sjrbridge.com/

you will notice that many alterantives are being studied....Federal rules require that all viable alterantives (including the no-build option) be evaluated in the PD&E study...but you'll notice that the Pink 1 alternative is labeled "locally preferred".

The Public Hearings being held now are the final chance to comment...unless something drastic happens soon, this is what will be forwarded to FHWA for approval.

Here is the "purple" route that is clearly connected to 9B:

http://www.sjrbridge.com/10-12-2009/Purple%20Alternative.pdf

Here is the "preferred pink" route that wanders around looking for a place to go as much or more than any other plan:

http://www.sjrbridge.com/10-12-2009/Pink%20Alternatives.pdf

Can someone even remotely explain how this road is going to significantly relieve traffic on any other major existing road?  By the way, note the "planned" urban sprawl creeping in with all the new proposed roads in yellow.  I don't see any thing sacred from developers in these maps.

[tufsu1]

tufsu..........no one asked my opinion about squat and I see just how this takes place! Oh, lets have a community meeting where 20 people may show up and this is the opinion that is forwarded and that is not right! FDOT is just going through the motions rather than soliciting honest opinion from the community! Any information can be slanted to reflect anyones view and once again this is neither right nor honest! It reflects what is slanted and that is part of the idea of how government is not responsive to the people who pay the bill!! Government questions why the people basically say, government is not responsive or reflective of what the people want? Something is horribly wrong with this picture!

bull..these meetings were highly publicized...and my guess is that residents and businesses in the area of the corridor were mailed notices.

also, the website has been in existence foir many years and you can provide comments through the site...also, you can e-mail the Project Manager and provide your comments...what more do you want?

[British Shoe Company]

Build it, and we will drive on it.  If you are not in favor of 9B, do not be a hypocrite.  Take the slow road.

[reednavy]

Explain this we thing.