This is definitely not our proudest moment, but it's interesting to see how we compare to other places.
http://www.forbes.com/2011/02/02/stockton-miami-cleveland-business-washington-miserable-cities_slide.html?partner=yahooree
Hey thats funny because Jacksonville was just named the 3rd best city to work!
See http://m.jacksonville.com/business/2011-02-07/story/jacksonville-among-nations-best-places-work-survey-says
So I think these lists are just a waste and not accurately done!
It's an emphasis on pictures.
One could conduct a quick tour of Duval county and compile compelling miserable "worst" and equally magnificent "best".
Enough of these 'studies'-nothing more than entertainment,we are amusing ourselves to death.
Yah, West Palm Beach is a miserable place to live. ::)
And Forbes lists the Jaguars as a source of our misery? Disappointment at times, yes. But misery? Come on.
I can see how Jacksonville could be both a miserable place to live and a fantastic place to live. It all depends on what you're looking for.
These lists are kind of silly. I'd like to see a list of Top 10 Cities To Live In With Statues of Cartoon Characters In Them. I know about the Superman statue in Metropolis, IL and the Popeye in Chester, IL. There's a Bullwinkle in Los Angeles. What else??
sum the list up in one word: retarded
Jacksonville IS one of the most miserable places. As soon as we admit it, we can begin to fix the many problems that make it so.
And Palm Beach county *is* miserable if you don't have a lot of money (which is most people in that county).
Jacksonville is so miserable I'm having a fit just thinking about it. Errrrr
Apparently Jax is a great place to live if you have a job and are looking to buy a home. It's a miserable place to live if you're looking for work or trying to sell your home.
Quote from: simms3 on February 08, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
Jacksonville IS one of the most miserable places. As soon as we admit it, we can begin to fix the many problems that make it so.
And Palm Beach county *is* miserable if you don't have a lot of money (which is most people in that county).
Jacksonville is so miserable I'm having a fit just thinking about it. Errrrr
I know. This city has a serious case of denial going on. For the most part, it does suck here.
South Florida cities are disproportionately represented on that list because that was ground-zero for the housing boom and bust. Things will eventually pick up down there as the economy recovers, because they have many other things going on. Jacksonville, on the other hand, sucked before the recession, it sucks now, and it will continue to suck afterwards, unless we admit and start solving the problems.
Misery lies within the person. Enough of this garbage. Jacksonville isn't perfect, but we have more going for us than against. We live in a country where we are free to live anywhere we want, and most of us on this forum have chosen to live here.
Jacksonville is a great place to live, yes we have problems who doesnt? and if you dont like it or think it sucks, leave!
Quote from: dougskiles on February 08, 2011, 01:43:02 PM
Misery lies within the person. Enough of this garbage. Jacksonville isn't perfect, but we have more going for us than against. We live in a country where we are free to live anywhere we want, and most of us on this forum have chosen to live here.
B.S. I'm not miserable, I'm quite happy. But I have an education (unlike 78% of this MSA) and am not broke or on welfare, like 1/3'rd of it. Do you even look at quality of life stats for our area? Honestly, keep denying the problems all you want, everyone else will just move elsewhere.
Your thinking is part of the problem. This kind of crap is why everyone went home from the Superbowl talking about what a hellhole Jacksonville is. I guess that 100k people are all 'miserable' whiners, too? lol
This area needs to cease stifling small/medium sized business development, and needs to cease allowing government fiefdoms to run amok to the detriment of the local economy, in ways that continually enrich the same two dozen people. No jobs = no money = no people = nothing to do. Admit what's going on, and it can be fixed. Continue denying it, things will stay the same. It doesn't help that we have no functional mass transit, and a dead urban center that is mostly gobbled up by parking lots and a conservative mega-church.
I'm glad you think that's all peachy, but back on earth, the rest of us would like to see the place fix its problems.
we do have shortcomings, but saying we suck just isnt right.
Quote from: Bativac on February 08, 2011, 12:47:59 PM
I'd like to see a list of Top 10 Cities To Live In With Statues of Cartoon Characters In Them. I know about the Superman statue in Metropolis, IL and the Popeye in Chester, IL. There's a Bullwinkle in Los Angeles. What else??
Don't forget the Peanuts statues in Minneapolis.
These kinds of responses are why many people who I respect in Jacksonville do not give Metro Jacksonville the credibility that many here think it has.
Jacksonville has been great to my family for the last 10+ years. Sure, I want it to be more and am willing to work very hard to make it more. I don't disagree that some parts of our city have lots of misery, but I would challenge anyone to find any city on earth that doesn't have pockets of 'misery'.
I don't believe that this kind of talk will motivate anyone to support change. We have to sell the positive side, not the negative side. I believe most people want to be inspired not insulted.
Quote from: dougskiles on February 08, 2011, 02:13:55 PM
These kinds of responses are why many people who I respect in Jacksonville do not give Metro Jacksonville the credibility that many here think it has.
Jacksonville has been great to my family for the last 10+ years. Sure, I want it to be more and am willing to work very hard to make it more. I don't disagree that some parts of our city have lots of misery, but I would challenge anyone to find any city on earth that doesn't have pockets of 'misery'.
I don't believe that this kind of talk will motivate anyone to support change. We have to sell the positive side, not the negative side. I believe most people want to be inspired not insulted.
Yeah, your view of MJ's credibility and $4.50 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks...
FWIW, I think your posts speak for themselves about credibility. I acknowledge the problems and want them fixed, while you get testy and question others' credibility for speaking what is unquestionably the truth, albeit an unpleasant truth. Denying the obvious speaks to your credibility, not mine, or this site's.
And if MJ is so non-credible, why is it that every Mayorial candidate has their Q&A session on this site? Lol....
There's a huge difference between the credibility of MJ and the credibility of individuals participating in the discussion board. Official MJ articles are shown on the front page. The articles on the front page are researched and fact checked before going online. The discussion board is a place where every individual is given the ability to discuss and debate their opinions on various local topics and issues.
Ah, Lake, the post quality has more to do with it than that. Case in point, how do you feel the commentary on the T-U's website affects the public's ability to take that site seriously? Or if you'd like an example;
Quote from: pwhitford on January 25, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
Beautiful work, Gentlemen. I would like to really thank ChriswUfGator and Lake for providing me with more intellectual content and substantive perspective on these issues then I have ever gotten anywhere else. And just when I was beginning to believe civil public discourse was dead! As a result, I have really begun to re-examine my support for a new convention facility being built in the immediate future. The real pity we will never see this kind of in-depth exchange between those currently vying for public office.
or,
Quote from: dougskiles on January 25, 2011, 07:53:51 PM
You are right on about this being the only real game in town for true public debate. More in depth analysis, less name calling than anything else that is even close. The comments you read on the TU are a complete embarassment to our city. This stuff is real.
These posters weren't commenting on your front-page article, they were specifically complimenting the quality of the content provided by the MJ message-board posters. Without the discussion forums, this would be just another unread urban planning blog, which there is hardly any shortage of online. The content on the forums certainly affects the public perception and credibility of the site, in this case positively.
Someone slamming the "credibility" of a person or group that doesn't agree with them is an extremely common tactic, you've been through that a million times. Look at SPAR. But I think it's silly to say the discussion content doesn't affect the quality of the site, oftentimes the forum posters have more information on a given topic than you guys dig up, that is nicely additive to the issue. Other times, like with Jacksonville.com, the commentary is so asinine it becomes impossible to take the site seriously. You guys do an excellent job, not only with your articles, but also with creating an impartial venue for meaningful and reasoned discussion. Both affect site quality, and each is key to your success.
I agree. Over the years we've been able to combine onstreet civic activity and participation with a website featuring influential front page content with an impartial discussion board to be a factor in improving this city's quality of life. That really can't be denied.
Yesterday in the endless rain and gloom, I agreed with Forbes - Miserable! Miserable!
Today, the sun's out. Not so bad.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on February 08, 2011, 01:46:24 PM
This kind of crap is why everyone went home from the Superbowl talking about what a hellhole Jacksonville is. I guess that 100k people are all 'miserable' whiners, too? lol
Primarily the people who did that were sportswriters with a vested interest in mocking Jacksonville that goes back for decades. And I promise you, they weren't looking in depth at anything beyond cab and strip club availability or hotel quality. They were sitting in Morton's writing home about how the city had no restaurants beyond Waffle House and Applebee's. Most who came as tourists/fans seemed to enjoy Jacksonville.
I don't think saying Jacksonville "sucks" or is a "hellhole" is accurate or productive. (Not that I think that is representative of your posts either, since I enjoy reading them and often learn something. But "sucks" is a hot-button, dismissive word, so I understand why another reader got upset.)
Not that I disagree as to the city's problems that are regularly discussed here. I love Jacksonville. I love its people, beauty, and heritage. I think it is a wonderful place to visit and I am sure I would enjoy living there, even if I got frustrated with the shortcomings, as I do now.
The great thing about this site is that it has called my attention to the city's problems but not in such a way that it causes my opinion of Jacksonville or its potential to be any less. I don't think critical thinking about Jacksonville's problems should indicate a negative or defeatist overall view of the city. I've no doubt the primary forces behind MetroJacksonville love Jacksonville even when they criticize it substantially.
Incidentally, the criteria for this Forbes survey were rather silly.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 08, 2011, 04:18:15 PM
I agree. Over the years we've been able to combine onstreet civic activity and participation with a website featuring influential front page content with an impartial discussion board to be a factor in improving this city's quality of life. That really can't be denied.
This site is inspiring and encouraging even when pointing out persistent and bleak problems.
I think it's fair to say that selling the positive on Jacksonville doesn't mean one is denying the shortcomings, and that talking about the shortcomings doesn't mean one is saying the city sucks and should leave.
If you look at the criteria used, it really is no shock that we made the list.
http://www.forbes.com/2011/02/02/stockton-miami-cleveland-business-washington-miserable-cities-methodology.html (http://www.forbes.com/2011/02/02/stockton-miami-cleveland-business-washington-miserable-cities-methodology.html)
QuoteWe looked at the 200 largest metropolitan statistical areas in the U.S. The minimum population to be eligible is 249,000. We ranked each area on 10 factors, including unemployment over three years, tax rates (both sales and income), commute times, violent crime and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past three years. We added two housing metrics this year: the change in median home prices over three years, and foreclosure rates in 2010, as compiled by RealtyTrac. We also considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each region, as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice. Lastly, we factored in an index put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that rates weather in each metro on factors relating to temperature, precipitation and humidity.
Unemployment: shooting from the hip I would have to guess we rate poorly here
Tax Rates: I would assume we rate fairly well here (in fact I am in the camp that we may be too low)
Commute Times: I would assume we rate low here
Violent Crime: While we have improved, we would still rate poorly
Jaguars: Well the last three years haven't been stellar
Change in Median Home Prices: I would again assume we would rate very poorly
Foreclosure rates in 2010: I think Florida as a whole is near the worst
Corruption: I don't recall any major convictions locally. (even though I am sure there should probably be a few)
Weather: I would say we rate very high in this category, but the humidity part could be a downgrade (doesn't bother me)
Stephen, perhaps you have far more experience than me in this, but having just graduated college, most of my college friends found opportunities in Atlanta, Nashville, Richmond, LA, New York, Boston, Chicago, and Houston. I have heard nothing but raves about each place. I have visited most of these places (a few extensively) and I could see myself enjoying each place and living in each place.
Sure a few of these places have outrageous traffic which makes you just want to scream (here in Atlanta I find myself screaming at least once a week), and a few of these places are so expensive that $2,000/month gets you a closet, but people in the college educated 22-35 age bracket (and even the middle aged) love and gravitate to these places. I think Jacksonville should consider trying to be attractive to that demographic. COL and traffic are secondary factors to quality of life and opportunity/pay/mobility for this demographic. Jacksonville focuses purely on being a cheap place and it ain't working. It's making the city miserable for the young and ambitious and keeping the city at a standstill, which is perfect for all of the long-timers and the people who care most about football and church.
Both my parents are either from/worked in larger cities until their 30s, and then they decided to "settle down" in Jacksonville to raise a family. They loved "the grind" and the pay, etc when they were in New York and Miami. Atlanta and Dallas do a decent job of combining the fast paced grind that 20s/30s people enjoy and the family life important to middle-aged parents. Jacksonville needs to learn how to do both, otherwise 70% of the largest demographic group (the Gen Yers) are going to keep the city off of their radar completely.
Quote from: simms3 on February 08, 2011, 04:52:22 PM
Jacksonville focuses purely on being a cheap place and it ain't working. It's making the city miserable for the young and ambitious and keeping the city at a standstill, which is perfect for all of the long-timers and the people who care most about football and church.
It seems to me - thankfully - that this point of argument is becoming at least a sotto voce topic in the mayoral and council races.
Some of the truly "Best" places have learned to keep it to themselves.
Quote from: dougskiles on February 08, 2011, 02:13:55 PM
These kinds of responses are why many people who I respect in Jacksonville do not give Metro Jacksonville the credibility that many here think it has.
I am just passing along some opinions that I have heard from friends. They aren't necessarily my opinions - although there have been a few cases where I agree. Obviously I like the forum otherwise I wouldn't spend as much time on it as I do. I also appreciate the knowledge and experience of those who contribute. Next time I will keep the criticisms about credibility to myself. And believe me, I am fully aware of my own credibility issues.
QuoteI am just passing along some opinions that I have heard from friends.
That's fine. If there's one thing we've learned while running this site is that by its very nature, you're not going to appeal to or please everyone. However, making friends is not what we're here for. We routinely step on people's toes, not passive in expressing our views, don't follow the traditional way of doing things in this town and openly challenge "authority" (when needed) through the use of a media format that many are still trying to understand. Nothing we do is personal but what I've come to accept is, if Jacksonville is to become a better place, someone in our community has to play this role. By now, I think any one who has participated here for a while has realized we're willing and happily accept this role, even if it means pissing off a few people.
Quote from: dougskiles on February 08, 2011, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on February 08, 2011, 02:13:55 PM
These kinds of responses are why many people who I respect in Jacksonville do not give Metro Jacksonville the credibility that many here think it has.
I am just passing along some opinions that I have heard from friends. They aren't necessarily my opinions - although there have been a few cases where I agree. Obviously I like the forum otherwise I wouldn't spend as much time on it as I do. I also appreciate the knowledge and experience of those who contribute. Next time I will keep the criticisms about credibility to myself. And believe me, I am fully aware of my own credibility issues.
Speak what you feel, about credibility or anything else, here. That's what makes it a great forum!
I was just relaying my personal experience that there's this subset of personality types that, whenever you disagree with them, they just love to give you these 'higher than thou' type lectures on your lack of credibility, as if equating credibility with agreeing with them is somehow a valid argument. It isn't. It's just a pretensious form of ad hominem, that tends to come out whenever you disagree with certain personality types. Having read your posts for awhile now, I don't think you're one of them. And if you find your friends trotting that old pile of dung out on you, call them on it. lol
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on February 08, 2011, 01:42:19 PM
South Florida cities are disproportionately represented on that list because that was ground-zero for the housing boom and bust. Things will eventually pick up down there as the economy recovers, because they have many other things going on.
Like widespread corruption throughout Miami, and of course South Beach nightlife. Basically the main "miserable strongholds" in the U.S. are South Florida, the Rust Belt, and California; That doesn't shock me. South FL apologists, don't get your panties in a bunch.
Quote from: stephendare on February 08, 2011, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: fsujax on February 08, 2011, 01:53:14 PM
we do have shortcomings, but saying we suck just isnt right.
People complain. Its what we do. It probably started somewhere back in evolutionary history, when one group of chimps decided that living in the trees sucked.
I imagine one of the chimpy stand up comedians entertaining the rest of the malcontents:
"This is for the birds.....Literally!" (coarse chimp laughter follows)
Within three years, a group of teabagging chimps strike out for the Savannah giving the tree chimps the evolutionary finger as monkey poo is flung at their backsides from the leafy heights.
Its just who we are. ;)
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While I tend to agree with both of you about
Jacksonville's tendency to denigrate itself, Forbes
Magazine can kiss my sweet, old, sandy, Jacksonville, Butt...
Thanks for the clarification Stephen.
I probably should have included the article that went along with the pictures. The criteria they use, while subjective, are not simply based on sports teams experiencing a bad season. This also takes into account economic conditions.
http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/americas-most-miserable-cities-2011.html
Quote from: stephendare on February 08, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on February 08, 2011, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on February 08, 2011, 02:13:55 PM
These kinds of responses are why many people who I respect in Jacksonville do not give Metro Jacksonville the credibility that many here think it has.
I am just passing along some opinions that I have heard from friends. They aren't necessarily my opinions - although there have been a few cases where I agree. Obviously I like the forum otherwise I wouldn't spend as much time on it as I do. I also appreciate the knowledge and experience of those who contribute. Next time I will keep the criticisms about credibility to myself. And believe me, I am fully aware of my own credibility issues.
We don't mind discussing credibility, Doug. Its a fair question, and most people here can hold their own in any dialogue. Its just telling people that they shouldnt express their opinions for fear that someone might think that the site is less credible as a result.
And you shouldnt feel the need to edit your own opinion either. You definitely have created some of the best content and interaction on the site yourself. Let the reasonable opinions be expressed. If they are wrong, someone will point it out. The process self corrects, Ive discovered.
Dialogue works.
But it can't happen without differing points of view-----Including your friends who doubt the credibility of the site. Its all good, and part of the process. The proof is in the pudding anyways.
I agree, Stephen, that dialogue works, as long as those who participate in the dialogue are accountable for their statements and positions. When content & opinion is posted anonymously it lacks credibility, because the author, for whatever reason, can hide behind an online nickname rather than standing behind what he/she says.
I suspect the intellectual quality of the dialogue and credibility of the participants would increase if there were no anonymous Metro Jacksonville's discussion forum posts.
I thought so too, but then I saw the discussions on facebook. Apparently using ones real identity has no bearing on the intellectual quality of a discussion.
Quote from: Lunican on February 09, 2011, 12:08:59 AM
I thought so too, but then I saw the discussions on facebook. Apparently using ones real identity has no bearing on the intellectual quality of a discussion.
Eh, that's Facebook for you though. Which has really turned into Retardville USA, esp now that its so popular & mainstream. Back in 2006/2007 it was alright because most people were either students or worked for some of the bigger companies (you had to to be able to even make a profile).
Anyways, I think its really all about your clientele I guess is my point.
Quote from: Lunican on February 09, 2011, 12:08:59 AM
I thought so too, but then I saw the discussions on facebook. Apparently using ones real identity has no bearing on the intellectual quality of a discussion.
Perhaps not, but it makes some people think twice about what they write. When I joined, my primary reason for using my name was so that I would not be tempted to write something that I am not willing to stand behind (and to take criticism when I write something stupid). It wasn't so that I would seem more credible to others, it was a way for me to police my own actions.
Jacksonville is not a miserable city. Well, a successful city (in terms of global and monetary power)? Not really. But miserable? Definitely not.
I remember reading a story a while back about a group of herders who live in Mongolia. They live in tents, herded sheep all day, and live a very simple lifestyle. At the end, the author concluded that they lived a much happier life than he did in New York City. They were poorer and had less money (compared to the rest of the world) but in a way, they also had less complexities. Plus the landscape they lived in was gorgeous.
I think Jacksonville is a city designed and made for people who want to live a simple life. No frills or complexities, just the basics. Some people live a life so basic they don't need nor want anyone else to interfere with it. Their joy in life can be though of spending hours in the car, alone, singing their favorite tunes while driving and coming home from work.
Metrojacksonville? I think it's a place where people want to insert some complexities in parts of the city. I don't think I've seen this website advocate changing the city from Northside all the way to Westside to be a major metropolitan cosmopolitan. What I do see it trying to do is to change pockets of this city to be a small walkable place with some sustainable places to work and live for those who don't like singing their favorite tunes while driving at 9AM traffic.
Quote from: Steve_Lovett on February 08, 2011, 11:58:06 PM
Quote from: stephendare on February 08, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on February 08, 2011, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on February 08, 2011, 02:13:55 PM
These kinds of responses are why many people who I respect in Jacksonville do not give Metro Jacksonville the credibility that many here think it has.
I am just passing along some opinions that I have heard from friends. They aren't necessarily my opinions - although there have been a few cases where I agree. Obviously I like the forum otherwise I wouldn't spend as much time on it as I do. I also appreciate the knowledge and experience of those who contribute. Next time I will keep the criticisms about credibility to myself. And believe me, I am fully aware of my own credibility issues.
We don't mind discussing credibility, Doug. Its a fair question, and most people here can hold their own in any dialogue. Its just telling people that they shouldnt express their opinions for fear that someone might think that the site is less credible as a result.
And you shouldnt feel the need to edit your own opinion either. You definitely have created some of the best content and interaction on the site yourself. Let the reasonable opinions be expressed. If they are wrong, someone will point it out. The process self corrects, Ive discovered.
Dialogue works.
But it can't happen without differing points of view-----Including your friends who doubt the credibility of the site. Its all good, and part of the process. The proof is in the pudding anyways.
I agree, Stephen, that dialogue works, as long as those who participate in the dialogue are accountable for their statements and positions. When content & opinion is posted anonymously it lacks credibility, because the author, for whatever reason, can hide behind an online nickname rather than standing behind what he/she says.
I suspect the intellectual quality of the dialogue and credibility of the participants would increase if there were no anonymous Metro Jacksonville's discussion forum posts.
Meh. Non sequitur. Who's really anonymous?
I know Stephen and the other siteowners in real life, attended the MJ public meetings, have met most of the other regular posters, take part in the facebook pages, for christsakes Stephen wrote a front page article about my great grandfather. I'll tell it to someone's face the same as I will on here, and regularly do. Just because you haven't taken the time to get involved in the MJ community, and meet the board and interact with the rest of your fellow posters in real life, doesn't mean you get to lament a nonexistent cloak of anonymity. Many of us actually know each other. Not my fault you don't come to meetings or events.
And just speaking generally, if anonymity equals no credibility, then maybe you'd care to explain why police departments have an anonymous tip line (e.g., crimstoppers here locally)? Could that be, perhaps, because anonymity actually FURTHERS credibility by allowing people to speak the truth where they otherwise wouldn't?
Well he should attend one, he'd certainly get over the misconception that people wouldn't say what they think in person. Lol.
I prefer anonymity. I think there are four people on this board who know who I am, and two of them are not regular posters.
I also do what I can to be involved, but I'm hundreds of miles away. I post on here and a boatload of other sites, I write people when I feel it's necessary (I wrote a 10 page report on what I thought the mayoral candidates should focus on and sent it to each one a year + ago), and I just try to stay on top of as many issues in Jacksonville as possible, but my eye is not on moving back any time soon so it's sometimes hard to justify spending any mental energy/time on the city when my sights are set in the opposite direction.
I feel like there are at least a handful of people in my position and I doubt most people want their identities made known.
Quote from: stephendare on February 09, 2011, 10:13:44 AM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on February 09, 2011, 10:12:38 AM
Well he should attend one, he'd certainly get over the misconception that people wouldn't say what they think in person. Lol.
If only Id had anonymity when Eva Ayres came gunning for me......lol.
Yeah that, or an athletic cup...lol
I find people who want to "hold you accountable" for something you said/wrote fall into 2 categories, one runs around saying "I'll sue you." Of course they never will, since there's this nasty little problem with the truth being an absolute defense and this horrid little statute 57.105 that requires them to pay your costs and fees if they did. How unfair! The second group is under the misconception that, if they just look you in the eye and tell you they don't like you, then that is somehow going to matter to you and you'll melt into a pile of water like the witch in Wizard of Oz or something. Well OK then, good luck with that, ROFL...
Then there's a third category that you really don't want to mess with; Drunk old southern women. Now that can get downright frightening! Stephen got punched in the balls! Still wish I'd been there for that meeting...
I think if you're really involved on metrojax, people will eventually find out who you are. There are probably 20 people who know who I am on here. I give out my name willingly. However, if you're one of the 1 issue posters or just mad at the world people on here (Bostech), I never want you knowing who I am, or where I live. ;)
Wow. The Jags causes us misery. There are other cities whose teams are in much worse shape, but we are miserable. Right> LMAO This stuff cracks me up. All of these different "lists" are ridiculous and contradicting. This is too funny to me. :D
I'm glad to let anyone know who I am and interact on Facebook (or in person on the rare times I am in Jacksonville). I love talking Jacksonville and appreciate the efforts of everyone on here to improve the city's shortcomings and promote its underappreciated assets and heritage.
The only reason I'm Wacca Pilatka on here instead of Dave Damiani is as a nod to Jacksonville history. That, and Wacca Pilatka sounds euphonic to me.
Quote from: fsujax on February 08, 2011, 01:46:11 PM
Jacksonville is a great place to live, yes we have problems who doesnt? and if you dont like it or think it sucks, leave!
+10. Its a free country, if you dont like Duval, there are plenty of other options out there. Jacksonville is by far a hell hole. If you dont like it, LEAVE. Thats a simple solution. Move somewhere else and find something to complain about.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 09, 2011, 11:35:23 AM
Quote from: fsujax on February 08, 2011, 01:46:11 PM
Jacksonville is a great place to live, yes we have problems who doesnt? and if you dont like it or think it sucks, leave!
+10. Its a free country, if you dont like Duval, there are plenty of other options out there. Jacksonville is by far a hell hole. If you dont like it, LEAVE. Thats a simple solution. Move somewhere else and find something to complain about.
Yeah, or you could just fix the problems. Which is more productive?
And since you're complaining about people complaining, should I go ahead and reserve the U-Haul for you?
Let's at least be logically consistent about it.