New Convenience Store

[thelakelander]

Is anyone aware of any possible businesses that may have an interest (immediate or future) in opening near 4th and Main?

Sounds great but will they have to access the site from 4th Street?

just joking for those who don't get it.

[thelakelander]

Lake, I wish it were structured community opposition. What really happened was, according to what someone told me, was the item was brought up at HPC, and it blindsided the SPAR representation. SPAR got up at the same meeting and spoke out against it, without ever speaking to the community, researching what he wanted to do, or speaking to the owner.

When I asked why, I was told "because its against the overlay". Not "its too loud" or "the neighbors contacted me and complained" any other possibly constructive reason. Just the overlay.

That's unfortunate and hopefully, this experience will be used as a learning lesson for the future.  If the same thing happened with Cesery's project, we would have no 3rd & Main, City Kidz or Uptown Market.  Instead, it would be a vacant site like 4th & Main is today.

[zoo]

I live in a nationally-designated Historic District, and am a fan of the neighborhood's traditional design and its architecture. Imho, Preservation, and support of the Overlay, will always be my default position. I say "default" b/c my opinion is sway-able, depending on how I personally weight the potential affect of any position, applicant or change to the community. As a resident, I can, and do form these opinions myself, and expect other residents to have the right to do the same (again, that is the reason for "permissible uses by exception" correct?) I also don't expect everyone to agree, and hope those who end up on the "losing" or "winning" sides of this issue (I'm not on either, as I'm still on the fence) can accept the outcome without a slinging-fest afterward.

[thelakelander]

As a resident, I can, and do form these opinions myself, and expect other residents to have the right to do the same (again, that is the reason for "permissible uses by exception" correct?) I also don't expect everyone to agree, and hope those who end up on the "losing" or "winning" sides of this issue (I'm not on either, as I'm still on the fence) can accept the outcome without a slinging-fest afterward.

I agree 100%!

[Johnny]

Good luck with that zoo... the one thing I've learned from living here over the years is that the drama llama is alive & well in this hood... like it or not. Regardless of what happens, we will see bitching and moaning, someone will become an outcast and stones will be thrown.

[thelakelander]

SW.

[ChriswUfGator]

There has been an application made with the Planning Department to put a car wash/convenience store at the corner of 4th & Main Streets. The same person applied a year or so ago and the neighborhood took a stand against it. Application No. 09-54 will be heard by the Planning Department on Thursday, November 12 at 1:00 PM at City Council Chambers. Those wishing to speak are encouraged to be there.
http://www.sparcouncil.org/

I'm at a loss for words. *sigh*

It's just the same self-interested and backstabbing people engaging in the same underhanded B.S. And since they won't hold elections, nobody can do anything about it. This "Revitalization" group is strangling the neighborhood and keeping it in the stone age with all these petty backstabbing wars against its own neighbors.

[fsu813]

"Maybe doing something positive instead of announcing who needs to walk the plank, who isnt welcome, and who is responsible for the downfall of civilization would be a better use of time?"

- yet you did / continue to do the exact same thing you chatsize Zoo for. you've gorged on irony.

[ChriswUfGator]

"Maybe doing something positive instead of announcing who needs to walk the plank, who isnt welcome, and who is responsible for the downfall of civilization would be a better use of time?"

- yet you did / continue to do the exact same thing you chatsize Zoo for. you've gorged on irony.

WTF is anyone supposed to do, exactly?

These are the same people who won't hold elections, and who couldn't possibly care less what anyone thinks of their B.S., so what exactly would you suggest?

About the only thing I can think of for a solution is that a SPAR member who is willing to stand up would have standing to file suit to enforce the corporate bylaws and force them to hold elections. It has to be a member or the organization. So who's going to step up?

[Dan B]

Why dont you join, and file suit.  You seem to be itching to sue SPAR.

[ChriswUfGator]

Why dont you join, and file suit.  You seem to be itching to sue SPAR.

I'm not a SPAR member (by choice). I lack standing.

It needs to be a member of the group who would have voting rights in the elections, if they were ever actually held.

[cindi]

Why dont you join, and file suit.  You seem to be itching to sue SPAR.

I'm not a SPAR member (by choice). I lack standing.

It needs to be a member of the group who would have voting rights in the elections, if they were ever actually held.

i am not quite sure why someone that is not a member of an organization / group / neighborhood should care what those members do within that group, since any of it's actions/lack of actions should not effect them at all. 

[ChriswUfGator]

Why dont you join, and file suit.  You seem to be itching to sue SPAR.

I'm not a SPAR member (by choice). I lack standing.

It needs to be a member of the group who would have voting rights in the elections, if they were ever actually held.

i am not quite sure why someone that is not a member of an organization / group / neighborhood should care what those members do within that group, since any of it's actions/lack of actions should not effect them at all. 

Cindi, that doesn't even make sense. SPAR's actions affect everyone, not just their own membership.

I guess I have to be a member of Congress then, before I'm allowed to dislike anything they do, according to your logic?

[cindi]

exactly how does spar's actions affect someone that does not live in or own a business in springfield?

[ChriswUfGator]

exactly how does spar's actions affect someone that does not live in or own a business in springfield?

1: Their actions negatively affect multiple people I know, who live their or have/had businesses there.

2: They've negatively affected my own businesses with their call-in campaigns. I guess apartments aren't what you'd call a traditional "business", but nevertheless the effect was real.

3: I dislike their gestapo tactics as a matter of principle (Wait, since I wasn't a member of the Nazi party, I must not be allowed to say that, according to you? Because if I'm not a Nazi, I can't dislike Nazis...that's your logic...