COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[Adam White]

I never said anything about forced vaccinations, your words, not mine.  I believe in covid passports.  If you can't prove you have tested negative or have been vaccinated, no entry to restaurants, theaters, airplanes, stores, schools, etc.  Had we done that last year, we'd be near normal now. 

I wouldn't be so sure of that. The vaccines appear to offer somewhere around 60% efficacy against the delta variant of the virus. In the UK, close to 50% of those in hospital with COVID19 have been double-vaccinated. While I have no doubt that the USA would be in a much better place if there had been a higher percentage of people being vaccinated, the truth is that until the world is vaccinated, variants will continue to spread (and variants that can evade our vaccines will become more likely).

[Snaketoz]

I'll have to agree.  So much time has passed and so many remain unvaccinated, it may be too late.

[jaxlongtimer]

Help me out here... people not convinced to get vaccinated, in part, due to vaccines still being deemed as having only emergency approval, will willingly submit to take Regeneron, also under emergency approval, AFTER they get COVID?

Gov. DeSantis unveils Jacksonville site for getting Regeneron treatment of COVID infections

....the monoclonal treatment got emergency use authorization from the federal government at about the same time similar authorization was given last year to vaccines for the COVID-19 virus. DeSantis said doctors have been able to get real-world results that show the treatments work at reducing hospitalizations and deaths....

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/08/12/gov-ron-desantis-unveils-regeneron-site-jacksonville-covid-19/8108170002/

[Josh]

Help me out here... people not convinced to get vaccinated, in part, due to vaccines still being deemed as having only emergency approval, will willingly submit to take Regeneron, also under emergency approval, AFTER they get COVID?

Gov. DeSantis unveils Jacksonville site for getting Regeneron treatment of COVID infections

....the monoclonal treatment got emergency use authorization from the federal government at about the same time similar authorization was given last year to vaccines for the COVID-19 virus. DeSantis said doctors have been able to get real-world results that show the treatments work at reducing hospitalizations and deaths....

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/08/12/gov-ron-desantis-unveils-regeneron-site-jacksonville-covid-19/8108170002/

CBS News had a similar story with one of the nutjobs they interviewed in an ICU that was recovering from COVID. He said he still wouldn't get the vaccine since it wasn't FDA-approved, and they pointed out that to save his life he was given multiple treatments that were not FDA-approved.

[Snaketoz]

Help me out here... people not convinced to get vaccinated, in part, due to vaccines still being deemed as having only emergency approval, will willingly submit to take Regeneron, also under emergency approval, AFTER they get COVID?

Gov. DeSantis unveils Jacksonville site for getting Regeneron treatment of COVID infections

....the monoclonal treatment got emergency use authorization from the federal government at about the same time similar authorization was given last year to vaccines for the COVID-19 virus. DeSantis said doctors have been able to get real-world results that show the treatments work at reducing hospitalizations and deaths....

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/08/12/gov-ron-desantis-unveils-regeneron-site-jacksonville-covid-19/8108170002/

Isn't this kind of like saying, "I don't believe in contraception, but here take the morning after pill, that works too."

[acme54321]

I don't think DeSantis is anti vax, he has said multiple times it's a good idea and that people should get them. At the same time he's also saying that people have a choice if they want it or not.  Not mutually exclusive things.  If people are dumb enough at this point not to get it that's on them.

[Snaketoz]

I don't think DeSantis is anti vax, he has said multiple times it's a good idea and that people should get them. At the same time he's also saying that people have a choice if they want it or not.  Not mutually exclusive things.  If people are dumb enough at this point not to get it that's on them.

Wish it was that simple.  It might be "on them", but also on everyone they come in contact with, and an avenue for further mutations that will allow Covid to stay with us.  These people only think of themselves and not the whole picture.  DeSantis may not be anti vax, but he is enabling the anti vaxers with the misinformation that has us in the situation we now find ourselves.

[BridgeTroll]

Misinformation?  Like... get vaccinated... wear your mask... and stay distanced?

[BridgeTroll]

Remember Mythbusters?  Loved that show...   

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/



The popular meme that the unvaccinated are uneducated rightwing nutjobs is simply inaccurate.

[Adam White]

Remember Mythbusters?  Loved that show...   

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/



The popular meme that the unvaccinated are uneducated rightwing nutjobs is simply inaccurate.

I bet there are a lot more people with 'high school or less' education than there are PhDs.

Mythbusters was a lot of fun, but they were really bad at the scientific method. I was really sad when Grant died. Very unexpected.

[Tacachale]

About 40% of Americans are in the high school or less category. About 3.2% have doctoral degrees (including MDs, DDS, and DNPs as well as PhDs), with only about 1.7% having PhDs specifically.

As for why PhDs have such high levels of hesitancy? Well, some very smart people believe some very stupid things. Orwell comes to mind: "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe something like that. No ordinary man could be such a fool."

[BridgeTroll]

About 40% of Americans are in the high school or less category. About 3.2% have doctoral degrees (including MDs, DDS, and DNPs as well as PhDs), with only about 1.7% having PhDs specifically.

As for why PhDs have such high levels of hesitancy? Well, some very smart people believe some very stupid things. Orwell comes to mind: "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe something like that. No ordinary man could be such a fool."

Not pointing fingers here... except that the national meme is wrong... clearly Trump and supporters make a convenient target... even if it is wrong.

[MusicMan]

I disagree. I keep seeing headlines "Republican lawmaker who scoffed at Covid dies of Covid."  ....see Scott Apley for an example.

If DeSantis would simply visit the local Covid ward he might learn something, but he's to busy appearing on Fox....


https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/columns/nate-monroe/2021/08/13/nate-monroe-view-from-jacksonville-icu-floridas-covid-19-hot-zone/8124978002/

[Tacachale]

About 40% of Americans are in the high school or less category. About 3.2% have doctoral degrees (including MDs, DDS, and DNPs as well as PhDs), with only about 1.7% having PhDs specifically.

As for why PhDs have such high levels of hesitancy? Well, some very smart people believe some very stupid things. Orwell comes to mind: "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe something like that. No ordinary man could be such a fool."

Not pointing fingers here... except that the national meme is wrong... clearly Trump and supporters make a convenient target... even if it is wrong.

Well, it isn't totally wrong. Other surveys have repeatedly found Republican voters are far more likely than others to be vaccine resistors. One I saw a few months ago had the national level at 13% vaccine refusal, but Republicans were at nearly 30%. There are also anti-vaxxer idiots on the left or who aren't particularly political, but particularly common among Republicans.

[Adam White]

About 40% of Americans are in the high school or less category. About 3.2% have doctoral degrees (including MDs, DDS, and DNPs as well as PhDs), with only about 1.7% having PhDs specifically.

As for why PhDs have such high levels of hesitancy? Well, some very smart people believe some very stupid things. Orwell comes to mind: "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe something like that. No ordinary man could be such a fool."

Not pointing fingers here... except that the national meme is wrong... clearly Trump and supporters make a convenient target... even if it is wrong.

Well, it isn't totally wrong. Other surveys have repeatedly found Republican voters are far more likely than others to be vaccine resistors. One I saw a few months ago had the national level at 13% vaccine refusal, but Republicans were at nearly 30%. There are also anti-vaxxer idiots on the left or who aren't particularly political, but particularly common among Republicans.

Apparently just under 1 in 4 PhDs is 'vaccine resistant'. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that 1 in 4 PhDs could be Republicans. It's probably very likely, though I seriously doubt all Republican PhDs are vaccine-hesitant.

At the end of the day, the number of vaccine-hesitant people who have a PhD is very small, compared the vast number of people who have high school diplomas (or less). And, according to the chart, it's worth noting that the vast majority of people in every category are not vaccine-hesitant. So, by extension, the vast majority of Americans are not vaccine-hesitant.