COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[bl8jaxnative]

Do Florida's #s for new CV19 cases break sharply down with this Friday's # release?

Or will it be next Friday, Aug 20th?

[bl8jaxnative]

Excellent fact based reporting here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/06/why-we-can-be-confident-that-surge-coronavirus-cases-isnt-fault-immigrants/

Not only details the issue but illustrates the pathetic laziness of the Fox News-Ted Cruz Show. Much easier to repeat a talking point than to actually research an answer.


From the article: " Part of the reason that immigrants are being targeted as vectors for the spread of the coronavirus is that public health experts are identifying a more obvious cause: a lack of vaccinations. Since opposition to vaccination overlaps with opposition to preventive measures like wearing masks — and since wearing masks has been politicized by Republican elected officials as an infringement on personal freedom — there's a motivation to find some other scapegoat for the surge in cases. There's a reason the unvaccinated were a lot more likely to blame "foreign travelers" than the unvaccinated for the surge.

And there's a reason that Ted Cruz and Sean Hannity did the same. It's much easier for them to say that the increase is a function of immigrants than it is to blame Republican voters and Fox News viewers. But it's obviously not true."

Those illegals are neither vaccinated nor wearing face coverings.

They're the worst of the worst when it comes to spreading covid19 by those standards.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/21/world/covid-surge-caribbean-central-america.html


only 15 percent have been fully vaccinated

[Adam White]

Part of the reason that immigrants are being targeted as vectors for the spread of the coronavirus is that public health experts are identifying a more obvious cause: a lack of vaccinations. Since opposition to vaccination overlaps with opposition to preventive measures like wearing masks — and since wearing masks has been politicized by Republican elected officials as an infringement on personal freedom — there's a motivation to find some other scapegoat for the surge in cases. There's a reason the unvaccinated were a lot more likely to blame "foreign travelers" than the unvaccinated for the surge.

And there's a reason that Ted Cruz and Sean Hannity did the same. It's much easier for them to say that the increase is a function of immigrants than it is to blame Republican voters and Fox News viewers. But it's obviously not true.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/06/why-we-can-be-confident-that-surge-coronavirus-cases-isnt-fault-immigrants/?fbclid=IwAR2gPA4q8URYZzHGyySZFAmH3gi_R3WieGazxa5LUYNLNgiBofO8FQgdqJo

There's a lot of interesting analysis in that story. TL;DR - basically, whilst migrants may be a vector for COVID transmission, it's nowhere on the scale of the way it's being characterised by those with political agendas.

[MusicMan]

If you follow the logic (hint: there is none) of BL8 and BT,  the Covid outbreak in Florida is caused by illegal immigrants? Then how come the outbreak here in JAX is so bad? You are alleging that the 'illegals' are coming here? Where is your proof? Have you spoken with any physicians in the COVID ICU?  Don't you think DeSantis would have cameras in every Covid ward in Florida showing that's it's all being spread by illegals who came here to be with family and loved ones?  Wouldn't illegals make up the majority of ICU patients, if they were the source of the outbreak?

If you can provide a link  (dated in the last week) to any Florida Public Healthcare official stating on the record the Covid outbreak in FLORIDA is linked directly to an influx of illegal immigrants I'd like to see it. 

In the presser it notes, DeSantis provided no proof for his statements.  That, by the way, is a VERY TRUMPIAN thing to do.

[BridgeTroll]

If you follow the logic (hint: there is none) of BL8 and BT,  the Covid outbreak in Florida is caused by illegal immigrants? Then how come the outbreak here in JAX is so bad? You are alleging that the 'illegals' are coming here? Where is your proof? Have you spoken with any physicians in the COVID ICU?  Don't you think DeSantis would have cameras in every Covid ward in Florida showing that's it's all being spread by illegals who came here to be with family and loved ones?  Wouldn't illegals make up the majority of ICU patients, if they were the source of the outbreak?

If you can provide a link  (dated in the last week) to any Florida Public Healthcare official stating on the record the Covid outbreak in FLORIDA is linked directly to an influx of illegal immigrants I'd like to see it. 

In the presser it notes, DeSantis provided no proof for his statements.  That, by the way, is a VERY TRUMPIAN thing to do.

Clearly you cannot read... Virtually nowhere in this thread has claimed the outbreak in Florida or anywhere is caused by illegals.

Read the posts before making outrageous claims... good god man...

[Snaketoz]

Trump lost popular vote twice, impeached twice, and lost the House and the Senate, yet is still considered the leader of the Republican Party.
I think that says a lot about the Republican Party.  The days of reasonable Republicans like Romney and McCain are dead......?

I left what is now the republican party... I am not part of the current maga bs or this new version of "conservatism"  Not sure where I belong because neither party in their current configuration or platform appeals to me...

There is a lot of frustration in our current situation resulting in finger pointing at government officials... I believe fingers need to be pointed at our fellow citizens...  get your shots,  wear your masks, and keep your distance...

Troll, You say a lot of things.  You say you "left what is now the republican party", but you say the same b/s that the republican party preaches.  Your testimony doesn't hold water.  You will moderate for a short time and then go back to your same old "well how about how bad your party handled so and so situation.  You have zero cred.

[BridgeTroll]

Trump lost popular vote twice, impeached twice, and lost the House and the Senate, yet is still considered the leader of the Republican Party.
I think that says a lot about the Republican Party.  The days of reasonable Republicans like Romney and McCain are dead......?

I left what is now the republican party... I am not part of the current maga bs or this new version of "conservatism"  Not sure where I belong because neither party in their current configuration or platform appeals to me...

There is a lot of frustration in our current situation resulting in finger pointing at government officials... I believe fingers need to be pointed at our fellow citizens...  get your shots,  wear your masks, and keep your distance...

Troll, You say a lot of things.  You say you "left what is now the republican party", but you say the same b/s that the republican party preaches.  Your testimony doesn't hold water.  You will moderate for a short time and then go back to your same old "well how about how bad your party handled so and so situation.  You have zero cred.

Complement coming from you... as you have zero with me.  Just because I am not a republican certainly does not mean I'm coming over to the dark side...lol

[MusicMan]

People are dying. ICU's are full to capacity.  DeSantis' inaction (aka 'personal freedom is more important than personal responsibilty')  is an issue. At least Biden is setting a reasonable example.

"There is a lot of frustration in our current situation resulting in finger pointing at government officials... I believe fingers need to be pointed at our fellow citizens...  get your shots,  wear your masks, and keep your distance..."

Agree with you on that. 

[Snaketoz]

I think you mean complIment, Troll.  If we are talking about Covid being rampant in Jax, you may complEment the conversation by reminding us of the illegal situation at the border.  You may not belong to the Republican party, but you think just like them.

[BridgeTroll]

People are dying. ICU's are full to capacity.  DeSantis' inaction (aka 'personal freedom is more important than personal responsibilty')  is an issue. At least Biden is setting a reasonable example.

"There is a lot of frustration in our current situation resulting in finger pointing at government officials... I believe fingers need to be pointed at our fellow citizens...  get your shots,  wear your masks, and keep your distance..."

Agree with you on that. 

If you agree with me on those three central points then you also agree with most of the DeSantis policy.  I disagree that he prioritized personal freedom over personal responsibility. We are all mostly on the same page... you and yours simply want a more restrictive society than he is willing to do...

[BridgeTroll]

I think you mean complIment, Troll.  If we are talking about Covid being rampant in Jax, you may complEment the conversation by reminding us of the illegal situation at the border.  You may not belong to the Republican party, but you think just like them.

Meh... if can't see the difference I ain't gonna waste my time... with you...

[Snaketoz]

Personal responsibility is only for those with average+ intelligence.  There are so many among us who will make no effort to help our society be a better, healthier, place.  Those people have to be pushed.  We don't need to appease those who only think of themselves.  Mandates are only for those who refuse to do what your average citizen does.  Those who have shown personal responsibility have gotten the vaccine, wear masks, social distance, etc.  The others are bottom feeders who need to be forced to do the right thing.  Who should DeSantis listen to?

[BridgeTroll]

Force the bottom feeders??? Wow... your elitism is shining through. Lol...perhaps yellow stars or red letters?

[jaxoNOLE]

That attitude is all well and good for the Trumpy COVID deniers, but vaccine acceptance among black and hispanic Americans is quite poor as well. One suggested reason, especially among black unvaccinated people, has been--shocker--a lack of trust in authority, which I've heard is informed by credible history. Then again, I'm only of average intelligence, so unless I'm told to verify that I probably won't. I'm sure forced vaccinations for those "bottom feeders," as you call them, will see our country to a better place.

[Snaketoz]

I never said anything about forced vaccinations, your words, not mine.  I believe in covid passports.  If you can't prove you have tested negative or have been vaccinated, no entry to restaurants, theaters, airplanes, stores, schools, etc.  Had we done that last year, we'd be near normal now.  The right talks of the economy as more important than our health.  On the one hand they are against healthcare for all, against mandates, and want to get the economy back.  We would have been far better off cracking down on Covid than allowing hundreds of thousands of Americans to die.  What is the cost of all the ventilators, hospital stays, rehabbing, that the uninsured are costing our economy?  I may be an elitist, but I'm not a moron.  These people who refuse to wear masks and get the vaccine are lowlifes.  I love to see them on TV after they get Covid saying they wish they had gotten the vaccine and want their family and friends to get it.  How many family, friends and stranger did these idiots infect?