Avondale Property Owners Attempt to Close Public River Access

[mtraininjax]

This sounds like a job for J-BILL man, great pontificate for sticking his nose where it does not belong, to cure the wrongs of society for Truth, Justice and whatever he can get out of it.....

However, my God, where are the Avondale kids and Ortega kids going to wrabble rouse once all these easements are taken back by millionaire riverfront property owners?  An already lily white crime free neighborhood will become even whiter and safer.

I know, the Nextdoor boards are going bonkers, eh, if they want to pay more taxes with a larger space, so be it. Give it to 'em.

[MEGATRON]

This sounds like a job for J-BILL man, great pontificate for sticking his nose where it does not belong, to cure the wrongs of society for Truth, Justice and whatever he can get out of it.....

Your fascination is downright creepy.

[bencrix]

If they would like to file the paperwork and offer the city fair market value for the little strip of land, then I'd be all for it.

This is the spirit of the current ordinance that the adjacent property owners (via legislation sponsored by a District 3 Council person) would like to explicitly exempt themselves from... (Section 744.104: "convey comparable property providing comparable access")

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

If they would like to file the paperwork and offer the city fair market value for the little strip of land, then I'd be all for it.

This is the spirit of the current ordinance that the adjacent property owners (via legislation sponsored by a District 3 Council person) would like to explicitly exempt themselves from... (Section 744.104: "convey comparable property providing comparable access")

Yes.  I'm aware of that.  But when you don't quote the entire statement, context is lost.  Let me help you:

I am, however, completely against allowing them to file some paperwork and basically take the property via  what essentially becomes 'eminent domain'. If they would like to file the paperwork and offer the city fair market value for the little strip of land, then I'd be all for it.

[Noone]

There is a Public Hearing on this at the 5/26/15 Jacksonville city council meeting. Where are the Friends of Public Access?

[Know Growth]

If surplused, many other such similar RAP area dead -end street "Commons" could be next.

I recall decades ago 'studies' of the riverfront dead end street public parcels.

Interesting to see Paul Harden's involvement,Council District maneuvers.

RAP has,predictably and perhaps, thankfully, responded. RAP website narrative includes acknowledgement of adjacent property owner's concerns, needs for better management, lengthy list of COJ entity opposed, meeting schedule.

I am ambivalent."Dead End" so to speak. So these little sea wall cliff spots are an image of public River access??    Fact is,River access is woefully limited and meaningful expansion is likely impossible, even in this designated "Best Place", which has often proven so limited.

A place to launch kayaks and paddle boards would be super.

[edjax]

Maybe they are just doing this to get the city to finally get their shit together and you know, properly maintain it.

[Jax native]

Maybe they are just doing this to get the city to finally get their shit together and you know, properly maintain it.

Two multi millionaires do not hire Paul Harden, lobbyist, development attorney, good ole boy, and get Paul Harden to go of the proper district boundaries, &(hire) get his BF on CC,  Richard Clark to override Jim Love the appropriate council member, only to try to get city to maintain this area. 

There has to be a large suspension of reality to believe this.

[Adam White]

Maybe they are just doing this to get the city to finally get their shit together and you know, properly maintain it.

Two multi millionaires do not hire Paul Harden, lobbyist, development attorney, good ole boy, and get Paul Harden to go of the proper district boundaries, &(hire) get his BF on CC,  Richard Clark to override Jim Love the appropriate council member, only to try to get city to maintain this area. 

There has to be a large suspension of reality to believe this.

I am not sure about that. They both have plenty of riverfront property and this is a tiny sliver. They've lived there for years (according to Simms) and apaprently haven't felt the need to close this access and annex the property.

I am not sure of their motives, but it's far too easy to paint this out as some sort of land grab. I'd assumed it was motivated by their frustration with the amount of antisocial behavior that takes place on the land. I used to go drinking down there (and I'd get high down there) when in high school.

I am not saying I want the access closed. But I have yet to hear the reason(s) why this is happening. If it is simply because the property owners want to very slightly increase their land, then I am against it. If it is due to issues with how the land is maintained or used, then I might be a bit more sympathetic.

[Noone]

Pocket Parks- Pocket Piers
Watched the 5/26/15 Jacksonville city council meeting and the endless stream of speakers to speak during the Public Hearing on 2015-360.
Does anyone else feel sorry for the Baltimore guys 2014-412?
Sydney Gefen Park?
Palmer Terrace Park?
Hogans Creek 2013-384 and zero access to the Creek. The legislation withdrawn.
Palms Fish Camp- A million bucks and you never open the door. Sign me UP! Cha Ching!
Dozens of other examples.
Councilman Redman Dist. 4 to his credit asked that this legislation 2015-360 be sent to Waterways. Will this then be put on the 6/10/15 Jacksonville Waterways Commission agenda?

Watching this Public Hearing should be a glaring example to the people of Duval county how our Public Access and Economic opportunity to our St. Johns River an American Heritage River a FEDERAL, FEDERAL, FEDERAL Initiative continue to be crushed and destroyed in Jacksonville.

Visit Jacksonville!

[Steve]

Maybe they are just doing this to get the city to finally get their shit together and you know, properly maintain it.

Two multi millionaires do not hire Paul Harden, lobbyist, development attorney, good ole boy, and get Paul Harden to go of the proper district boundaries, &(hire) get his BF on CC,  Richard Clark to override Jim Love the appropriate council member, only to try to get city to maintain this area. 

There has to be a large suspension of reality to believe this.

I am not sure about that. They both have plenty of riverfront property and this is a tiny sliver. They've lived there for years (according to Simms) and apaprently haven't felt the need to close this access and annex the property.

I am not sure of their motives, but it's far too easy to paint this out as some sort of land grab. I'd assumed it was motivated by their frustration with the amount of antisocial behavior that takes place on the land. I used to go drinking down there (and I'd get high down there) when in high school.

I am not saying I want the access closed. But I have yet to hear the reason(s) why this is happening. If it is simply because the property owners want to very slightly increase their land, then I am against it. If it is due to issues with how the land is maintained or used, then I might be a bit more sympathetic.

One property owner has lived there for years. The other would like to build a house on the vacant lot.

[finehoe]

...if it bothers them so damn much, why not be proactive and clean the area up themselves.

Bingo!

[JaxUnicorn]

...if it bothers them so damn much, why not be proactive and clean the area up themselves.

Bingo!

Here in Springfield, we do that all the time!  Especially with our alleys. 

[edjax]

Maybe they are just doing this to get the city to finally get their shit together and you know, properly maintain it.

Two multi millionaires do not hire Paul Harden, lobbyist, development attorney, good ole boy, and get Paul Harden to go of the proper district boundaries, &(hire) get his BF on CC,  Richard Clark to override Jim Love the appropriate council member, only to try to get city to maintain this area. 

There has to be a large suspension of reality to believe this.

Maybe Paul Harden is a friend of theirs? Do you know them well? 

[Jason]

...if it bothers them so damn much, why not be proactive and clean the area up themselves.

Bingo!

My thoughts as well.  There is a lot of underbrush that could be cleared out that would increase visibility and therefore make it harder for troublemakers to get away with making trouble.