Murder at Avondale Mojo's

[I-10east]

I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber. 

and lucky for you the staff wasn't armed and mistook you for a bad guy ...

+100. You're right, I was gonna edit that in.

[I-10east]

The police shot him, not an armed citizen.

Yeah, I was just using a hypothetical situation. Although I didn't know that he was shot while under custody; What goes around comes around.

[Shwaz]

The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.

The death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.

This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant.  It is the price paid by the murderer.

Not to be too technical, but it is often described as a deterrent.

Just because it's described as a deterrent doesn't mean it is a deterrent. It's kinda a no-brainer that it's not a deterrent.

de·ter·rent 
/diˈtərənt/
Noun
A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from some act.
Adjective
Able or intended to deter.

Obviously, by definition, it is. I'm sure at least once, there was at least one person who decided against committing  just one the offenses on a laundry list of offenses through out time that capital punishment was handed out for, such as - murder, adultery, rape, sodomy, incest, treason, apostasy etc. etc. etc.

Oh, I see we've trotted out the Merriam-Webster... that's a way to win an argument, you could at least have found a proper definition of deterrence as it's used in the field of criminology, where a distinction is usually made between general deterrence and specific deterrence. General deterrence being where an individual is publicly punished to discourage others from the same deviant behavior, and specific deterrence is where an individual is punished in an attempt to modify that individual's behavior. The death penalty as a general deterrent hasn't really shown to be very effective, however as a specific deterrent it can't be beat-- it's hard to be a recidivist if you're dead. You know, we could probably stop all crime if we just expanded the death penalty to all infractions.

What an ironically snarky way to split hairs 

[Cheshire Cat]

Here is what JSO just posted on their site regarding the suspect now in custody.

On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 police identified suspect Herman
Pickens. He was identified because citizens in this community called into JSO and First Coast Crime Stoppers giving us helpful information and tips.

We were able to locate the suspect once he was identified. Police officers, in unmarked vehicles, were following a vehicle occupied by the felony suspect. At some point, the driver of the vehicle possibly suspected that the police were following them and attempted to flee. Other officers moved in, blocking the vehicle. The suspect/passenger fled and was chased by officers. An officer caught up with him as he ran through a nearby business. The officer saw that the suspect appeared to be armed as the suspect turned towards him and the officer fired his weapon striking the suspect. The suspect was transported to a local hospital with life threatening injuries. A loaded gun was located in the suspect's possession.

Herman Pickens was shot in his upper torso and pelvic area and is still in the hospital. He has been charged with Attempted Murder, Armed Robbery, and Possession of a Firearm by a Convicted Felon (extensive record).

At this time, we are waiting on evidence to come back from FDLE in reference to the Mojo's BBQ murder.

Thank you to every citizen in Jacksonville that stepped up and did the right thing to help get this armed and dangerous man of the streets of Jacksonville. When we work together and citizens get involved these arrests are able to be made.

https://www.facebook.com/JacksonvilleSheriffsOffice?hc_location=stream

[CityLife]

From the TU

Pickens has a lengthy record of seven other arrests stretching back to 2008 in Jacksonville, jail records show. Past arrests include charges of grand theft, aggravated battery, cocaine and marijuana possession, resisting arrest, burglary and dealing in stolen property.

[Jameson]

His Facebook statuses provide a glimpse into how much he respects women:

https://www.facebook.com/herman.pickens.7?fref=ts

What an upstanding citizen. The judge(s) who have continuously let this thug out on the streets should be ashamed of themselves.

[MEGATRON]

Hope it was a nut shot.

[Garden guy]

I say end the death penalty..its not working...i say anyone entering jail or prison will do hard labor 12hrs a day with no exceptions...if these thug boys think jail is cool maybe if they had to actually work in stead of hanging out with their buddies all day...jail is not a deterrent..prison is not a detterent...maybe real hard work would deter

[TheCat]

Same guy?

[Cheshire Cat]

Can you post the latest mug shot of him with his ears exposed next to the new one?  Similar looking but hard to say for sure without the ears.  Where is the photo on the right from?

[TheCat]

This side-by-side is from the JSO's facebook page.


This image is from his facebook page:



Well, if it is him I think you figured out why he's wearing a hoodie.

[JayBird]

I say end the death penalty..its not working...i say anyone entering jail or prison will do hard labor 12hrs a day with no exceptions...if these thug boys think jail is cool maybe if they had to actually work in stead of hanging out with their buddies all day...jail is not a deterrent..prison is not a detterent...maybe real hard work would deter

Being that my part time job brings me into contact with those incarcerated or those trying to re-enter society on a daily basis I can assure you prison is a big deterrent.  Many who get out never go back, as a matter of fact less than a third will.  Now I know one going back is one too many however some people choose to live a lifestyle that is only rewarded with jails cells and prisons.  Until they change their mindset, nothing anyone can do will keep them out. 

I say end the death penalty..its not working...i say anyone entering jail or prison will do hard labor 12hrs a day with no exceptions...if these thug boys think jail is cool maybe if they had to actually work in stead of hanging out with their buddies all day...jail is not a deterrent..prison is not a detterent...maybe real hard work would deter

False.  Every man and women assigned a bed in the Florida Department of Corrections is assigned a job.  The only exception is those assigned to medical wards or those under solitary punishment.  Those that have the custody to be watched in public are picking up trash along the highways, cutting grass at interchanges, working on bridges and drainage ditches around town.  Hard labor has proven to be ineffective in the overall rehabilitation of criminals, and when Florida had true "chain gangs" the recidivism rate never dropped below 73% (1982 - lowest year before rules changed in 1996 and recidivism started improving immensely).

His Facebook statuses provide a glimpse into how much he respects women:

https://www.facebook.com/herman.pickens.7?fref=ts

What an upstanding citizen. The judge(s) who have continuously let this thug out on the streets should be ashamed of themselves.

Not really the judge per se, it is the system.  Criminal judges in Florida are surprisingly limited in what they can sentence citizens to.  There is a strict set of guidelines that must be followed and it determines the minimum and maximum time that the sentence must fall into.  However, if the States Attorney and the Public Defender/Defendants Lawyer reach a plea agreement and are satisfied, the judge may grant that sentence regardless of where it scores on his sentencing guidelines.  Angela Corey was famous for touting "tough on crime" however her office was known for making plea deals versus trials in the criminal world.  So much so that one of the men that came through our program would only rob people's houses in Duval County because the deals were better if he got caught than in Clay or St Johns County. Criminals are smart.  They adapt and survive. Similar to roaches. And honestly, though this individual has a lot of charges, they really aren't that high on the list of crimes. I know that sounds horrible, but it is the truth ... the aggravated battery is probably the charge with the most time, and in Duval County that may get you sentenced between 13 and 24 months.

The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.

The death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.

This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant.  It is the price paid by the murderer.

Not to be too technical, but it is often described as a deterrent.

Just because it's described as a deterrent doesn't mean it is a deterrent. It's kinda a no-brainer that it's not a deterrent.

de·ter·rent 
/diˈtərənt/
Noun
A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from some act.
Adjective
Able or intended to deter.

Obviously, by definition, it is. I'm sure at least once, there was at least one person who decided against committing  just one the offenses on a laundry list of offenses through out time that capital punishment was handed out for, such as - murder, adultery, rape, sodomy, incest, treason, apostasy etc. etc. etc.

Oh, I see we've trotted out the Merriam-Webster... that's a way to win an argument, you could at least have found a proper definition of deterrence as it's used in the field of criminology, where a distinction is usually made between general deterrence and specific deterrence. General deterrence being where an individual is publicly punished to discourage others from the same deviant behavior, and specific deterrence is where an individual is punished in an attempt to modify that individual's behavior. The death penalty as a general deterrent hasn't really shown to be very effective, however as a specific deterrent it can't be beat-- it's hard to be a recidivist if you're dead. You know, we could probably stop all crime if we just expanded the death penalty to all infractions.

Welcome Skazooz, interesting first post, glad to have you on the boards.

In the eyes of Florida Criminal Law, the death penalty is a punishment. It is the ultimate loss of freedom. It is of no benefit to the taxpayer or the community as a whole (especially since it costs approximately 40% more to hold someone on Death Row), it is simply that their crime was so heinous that no other punishment is deemed suitable by society.  This really should be another thread, but I believe in goes back to "an eye for an eye" from the Bible. Don't quote me on that though because I am really not sure.

Here is what JSO just posted on their site regarding the suspect now in custody.

On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 police identified suspect Herman
Pickens. He was identified because citizens in this community called into JSO and First Coast Crime Stoppers giving us helpful information and tips.

We were able to locate the suspect once he was identified. Police officers, in unmarked vehicles, were following a vehicle occupied by the felony suspect. At some point, the driver of the vehicle possibly suspected that the police were following them and attempted to flee. Other officers moved in, blocking the vehicle. The suspect/passenger fled and was chased by officers. An officer caught up with him as he ran through a nearby business. The officer saw that the suspect appeared to be armed as the suspect turned towards him and the officer fired his weapon striking the suspect. The suspect was transported to a local hospital with life threatening injuries. A loaded gun was located in the suspect's possession.

Herman Pickens was shot in his upper torso and pelvic area and is still in the hospital. He has been charged with Attempted Murder, Armed Robbery, and Possession of a Firearm by a Convicted Felon (extensive record).

At this time, we are waiting on evidence to come back from FDLE in reference to the Mojo's BBQ murder.

Thank you to every citizen in Jacksonville that stepped up and did the right thing to help get this armed and dangerous man of the streets of Jacksonville. When we work together and citizens get involved these arrests are able to be made.

https://www.facebook.com/JacksonvilleSheriffsOffice?hc_location=stream

Great job JSO, regardless of whether or not he was involved the Mojo Murder he needed to be off the streets.  Hopefully they will find a connection so that the victims family can be at peace.  Or that he expires and goes to whatever is in the beyond for him.

[judy40]

For sure, how else could he hide those "years" without his hoodie.

[paulirwin]

I don't really consider the CVS on San Juan part of or "near" Avondale...but yeah, wtf.

The CVS on San Juan is quite literally walking distance from shops and restaurants that call themselves "Avondale". I hope you weren't expressing neighborhood elitism with that statement.

I do not intend to cast this statement on you, but as a Murray Hill resident, I am disappointed by the arrogance that comes out of many in "Avondale" towards the "westside" and "Murray Hill", often when the lines are blurred anyways. We're all part of the urban core, in the greater "Riverside" area, and we all have a responsibility towards one another. You can't look the other way when something happens 500 yards from a "nicer" part of the neighborhood.

I am just as upset as anyone about this incident, and you wouldn't call that area "Murray Hill".

[Cheshire Cat]

I don't really consider the CVS on San Juan part of or "near" Avondale...but yeah, wtf.

The CVS on San Juan is quite literally walking distance from shops and restaurants that call themselves "Avondale". I hope you weren't expressing neighborhood elitism with that statement.

I do not intend to cast this statement on you, but as a Murray Hill resident, I am disappointed by the arrogance that comes out of many in "Avondale" towards the "westside" and "Murray Hill", often when the lines are blurred anyways. We're all part of the urban core, in the greater "Riverside" area, and we all have a responsibility towards one another. You can't look the other way when something happens 500 yards from a "nicer" part of the neighborhood.

I am just as upset as anyone about this incident, and you wouldn't call that area "Murray Hill".

Paul, an innocent man was shot in the head at CVS and another man murdered most likely by the same suspect and your commentary is about feeling snubbed by some elitists in Avondale? Really?  Wow!