Mellow Mushroom: Working with the Avondale community

Metro Jacksonville · August 23, 2012, 03:19:08 AM

Mellow Mushroom: Working with the Avondale community

Now that we've shared http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,15783.msg290947.html#msg290947">We Love Avondale's demands regarding a proposed Mellow Mushroom restaurant opening within the urban core, Metro Jacksonville highlights Mellow Mushroom's position.

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Bill Hoff · August 23, 2012, 06:56:47 AM

Wish adaptive reuse was moving forward.

ben says · August 23, 2012, 07:01:20 AM

^ Same.....

mtraininjax · August 23, 2012, 07:24:40 AM

Quote1. Close up completely at midnight.

2. No music or television sound played in any outside area after 9:00pm.

3. No outside live music.

4. No uses allowed in the parking lot area except parking, and deliveries between the hours of 9am and 5pm.

These are rediculous, only MM? Not Casbah or anyone else who pipes out music? Besides being the building police, will RAP now become the outside music police? Will Carmen, Susan, Tori, Kay and others be walking around with decibel readers at night? Its lunacy!

John should tear down the garage, and build an adult nightclub with red and yellow sires outside, just to stick it to these idiotic "demands".

Captain Zissou · August 23, 2012, 07:39:58 AM

This isn't the first time that RAP has played noise police. They were instrumental in preventing Alpha Dog from using their back patio, which made that business unsustainable and forced them to shut down. They have also been hassling Rogue for years about the noise it creates. Maybe soon RAP will start to determine what food can be sold and what drinks can be served at restaurants within their borders. if the RAP board dressed in leather vests and rode motorcycles it would be more fitting to their style of business. They're running the neighborhood like an outlaw biker gang these days.

mtraininjax · August 23, 2012, 07:43:13 AM

QuoteThey're running the neighborhood like an outlaw biker gang these days.

I do believe this could be a new thread......

QuoteAvondale lost and that they chose to follow a few idiots instead of using their own common sense.

Avondale did not lose, John compromised and we both won. We get one of the best pizza places, I have ever been to, and I grew up around them in Atlanta, so I am very happy, we are getting a fine restaurant and great local business partner.

You can't always get what you want, but you "do" get what you need, in our case, we got our MM here in Avondale!

strider · August 23, 2012, 07:47:05 AM

I am a bit surprised that the Mellow Mushroom folks have not figured out yet that this small group of disgruntled residents and RAP will never be happy. That even giving in one small inch gives those people a feeling of power that propels even more demands.

This is a case where a few have taken up the torches and pitchforks, have used fear and misinformation to gain support from others and are moving forward with the intent of malice. The original proposal with the adaptive reuse was indeed the best approach for both Mellow Mushroom and the community. The sad thing is that after the dust settles and Mellow Mushroom has moved on, the majority of the folks will stop and realize that Avondale lost and that they chose to follow a few idiots instead of using their own common sense.

avonjax · August 23, 2012, 08:32:09 AM

They have done everything to try and stop MM from opening in Avondale. Please let someone open a sex shop instead. That's what they deserve there. The shops have really gone down anyway in my opinion. As I stated in another thread the whole area, as far as shopping has slipped. Ok for food, not ok for other shopping. Don't go there much at all anymore.

avonjax · August 23, 2012, 08:48:51 AM

I wonder if the folks in Hyde Park in Tampa fought this hard over the development in their area. Parking wasn't great there either but it is a great shopping area. If I lived in Tampa I would go there frequently because, forgive my blasphemy, there are some large chain stores that can make it trough tough times and remain open, thus creating a sense of stability. So many locals have opened and closed in Avondale you never know what will be there next time you go. In the last 20 years almost every shop in Avondale has been more than 1 business and some 3 or 4. I know that's typical for local, but at least with a chain the size of MM, they will be around for a while. It always bothers me when a shopping area has 3 real estate offices. But maybe that's what Avondale wants because they draw so few people. Too bad I used to shop there ALL the time.

iluvolives · August 23, 2012, 08:50:30 AM

Wow- I can't believe RAP prefers plans that looks like something from a strip mall on southside as opposed to something unique, interesting and historic.

Bike Jax · August 23, 2012, 08:54:32 AM

I don't know the whole story here, which group asked for what demands. I do know that "We Love Avondale LLC", really doesn't. They are a group of self-center jackasses that think Riverside/Avondale should be run with a gated community mentality.

Captain Zissou · August 23, 2012, 08:57:53 AM

Looking at the two designs, the new one is so far inferior to the old that it is almost worth crying over. From St Johns, the new design looks like a super target. What will it be, 200 feet of continuous storefront? The old design would not have looked so imposing from the street and would have really blended well into the surrounding streetscape. As currently proposed, the development will abut the street in a harsh way that, in my opinion, walls it off from the outside. I am sure that everyone is also aware that the new proposal only adds 4 parking spaces........ Lets just let that sink in.... After we bulldoze a historic structure and rip out the landscaped common area and bike racks we are left with 4 NEW PARKING SPACES. Everyone who is for this new design should be ashamed.

Stephendare, where would you say we RAP is relative to SPAR turning into firebreathing dragons and leveling the neighborhood? 14-18 months out? Keep in mind this is the second property that RAP has now forced developers to turn into a surface lot. Not only that, this is the second time in about as many months. Looks like they are just now getting up to speed.

jaxlore · August 23, 2012, 08:59:10 AM

Man like so many other things in this city its a damn compromise. I am sick of the "we have money and god" so we run this joint attitude. Screw the other 90something%. Please somebody run for city council that has some intelligence and half an idea to grow Jacksonville into a forward thinking city.

wsansewjs · August 23, 2012, 09:04:10 AM

Looks like I need to talk to Dr. Wood, and get the bottom of this non-sense. This has been a double-whammies with a ridiculous outcome.

Based on the demands of "We Love Avondale LLC" and RAP, I think they are becoming more foolish and unrealistic. They have truly lost their touch to their own core values of their organizations.

-Josh

ChriswUfGator · August 23, 2012, 09:14:58 AM

Quote from: mtraininjax on August 23, 2012, 07:24:40 AM
Quote1. Close up completely at midnight.

2. No music or television sound played in any outside area after 9:00pm.

3. No outside live music.

4. No uses allowed in the parking lot area except parking, and deliveries between the hours of 9am and 5pm.

These are rediculous, only MM? Not Casbah or anyone else who pipes out music? Besides being the building police, will RAP now become the outside music police? Will Carmen, Susan, Tori, Kay and others be walking around with decibel readers at night? Its lunacy!

John should tear down the garage, and build an adult nightclub with red and yellow sires outside, just to stick it to these idiotic "demands".

The only surprising thing is that you're surprised...

I'm not sure what the big mystery is, it was obvious where this has been going from the beginning.