Mellow Mushroom: Working with the Avondale community

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

From Facebook:

We Love Avondale
The JPMC and Planning Commission are expecting revised plans from MM this week; these new plans will first be reviewed at the JHPC at 6:00 p.m. Sept 19 at the Ed Ball Building, 214 N. Hogan Street. We will post copies when available. Hoping they take our concerns seriously!

So WLA doesn't think MM is taking them seriously when they've already changed their site plan once to incorporate the WLA driven design that called for a stucco box and the demo of the gas station.  Only to have WLA deny the new site plan that was a WLA design.

So now we're in a third revision, WLA driven, but MM isn't taking thier concerns seriously....   

Anyone want to bet $1 (US currency only) that WLA will probably claim that this plan doesn't meet their moving standards either?  Back to the drawing board. 

Now a more serious question for those of you who can answer:  How much modification can MM make to the original site plan from which the PUD was granted?   How long do they have to start construction before the PUD expires?

[riverside planner]

PUDs don't expire, they run with the land.  In the case of Mellow Mushroom, no PUD has been approved.  One was originally submitted, but was withdrawn. 

[Noone]

PUDs don't expire, they run with the land.

That is a very important piece of information. Even through comp plan changes?

[riverside planner]

PUDs don't expire, they run with the land.

That is a very important piece of information. Even through comp plan changes?

The only way to get rid of a PUD is to rezone the property.  Remember that the comp plan and zoning are separate processes.

[thelakelander]

PUDs don't expire, they run with the land.

That is a very important piece of information. Even through comp plan changes?

A PUD is basically a zoning designation for specific site that may have difficulties conforming to the city's standard autocentric zoning regulations.  Personally, given the condition of our horrible zoning code, I actually prefer PUDs.  When the process is done right, you typically end up with the best end product from them.

[mtraininjax]

To be honest I don't drink at all and for the most part if I want good seafood I buy it and cook it at home. I'm not much for going out to any Avondale restaurants. I perfer Steak Houses, some chain restaurants and others

Well then, the south side is chain heaven.....enjoy. Eat all the red meat you want!

How much modification can MM make to the original site plan from which the PUD was granted?

While John would like to build a nice front on the garage lot, he can, for all purposes tear down the garage, use the 'town/benham's space for the restaurant and use the garage lot for parking and tell WLA to kiss his ass and be done with it all. That is the plan he has in his back pocket because it is all existing space, and he can use this as his last alternative. However, IF he wants all the new looks, WLA will be all over him with the BS closing by midnight, no outdoor music after 9, all that garbage.

I'd tell John to tell WLA to go to hell and move on and start making money, NOW!

[Pinky]

To be honest I don't drink at all and for the most part if I want good seafood I buy it and cook it at home. I'm not much for going out to any Avondale restaurants. I perfer Steak Houses, some chain restaurants and others

Well then, the south side is chain heaven.....enjoy. Eat all the red meat you want!

How much modification can MM make to the original site plan from which the PUD was granted?

While John would like to build a nice front on the garage lot, he can, for all purposes tear down the garage, use the 'town/benham's space for the restaurant and use the garage lot for parking and tell WLA to kiss his ass and be done with it all. That is the plan he has in his back pocket because it is all existing space, and he can use this as his last alternative. However, IF he wants all the new looks, WLA will be all over him with the BS closing by midnight, no outdoor music after 9, all that garbage.

I'd tell John to tell WLA to go to hell and move on and start making money, NOW!

Lol, as-if...   "Oh please Bre'r Fox, whatever you do, don't throw me in the Briar Patch!" 

Not much chance of that happening here; WLA's Tar Baby is pretty obvious to everyone concerned, and i doubt Ole Bre'r Rabbit Valentino is gonna fall for it.  You may be right that at some point WLA might be told to kiss ass given that they're nothing more than a powerless pack of Porch Nazi's, but i strongly doubt that it will be in the context of John capitulating and opening only in the 'town space with nothing more than parking in the former gas station lot.  Just a hunch..

The only power WLA has in this situation is afforded them only by John's good-natured willingness to engage them in this process; if he wants to be as bad a neighbor as they're already being he can pretty much ram just about anything he wants down their throats.

I, for one, wish he would.  But that's just the Jersey in me. 

[acme54321]

How would doing exactly what WLA wants be telling them to kiss your ass?  Seems like MM would be kissing the add in that situation.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

How would doing exactly what WLA wants be telling them to kiss your ass?  Seems like MM would be kissing the add in that situation.

me thinks you read that wrong.