Army Veteran Kicked out of old navy...

[BridgeTroll]

As I said, it's silly to try and envision what would've happened. That said, that is quite an impressive list you compiled and I appreciate the research.

I would say, however, that the numbers don't tell the whole story. There's also the cost of occupation (fiscal as well as other resources, chief among those being manpower).

Italy couldn't manage to successfully conquer Ethiopia and was a complete failure in its European campaigns. Germany never managed to do much of anything in Yugoslavia and Hitler got cold feet and scuppered Operation Sea Lion.

I think a far more likely result would've been an uneasy peace or cold war. But as I said before, we'll never know.

What we DO know is that we entered the war and eventually helped put an end to the holocaust. Which is probably the high-point for us. It's a shame that the victorious powers ended up being total pricks to each other and to everyone else after the war.

I for one am glad most of the world at the time thought differently than you do now.  Enjoy your revisionism.

[ChriswUfGator]

I am a veteran,. and I would be very pissed if a civilian (against the act of valor law) dressed in honor's he or she did not earn. For those of you that apparently knows nothing of chain of command in or out of the military., you never confront an employee ,always go to manager on duty,. ANY ONE THAT DOES NOT STAND ON THE SIDE OF RIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE VET,WHO EARNED HIS RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPION ON THIS MATTER, (YOU SIR. OR  MISS HAVE NEVER GIVEN ONCE OUNCE TO PROTECT, THIS NATION,. BUNCH OF PANSIESM,YELLOW BELLY'S. MR. Aaron Bennett, I salute you,. one vet to another.

My god you're right, they ought to shut down Old Navy immediately, seize its assets, arrest the CEO.

It's calling itself the navy, and it's not. The humanity!

[Adam W]

As I said, it's silly to try and envision what would've happened. That said, that is quite an impressive list you compiled and I appreciate the research.

I would say, however, that the numbers don't tell the whole story. There's also the cost of occupation (fiscal as well as other resources, chief among those being manpower).

Italy couldn't manage to successfully conquer Ethiopia and was a complete failure in its European campaigns. Germany never managed to do much of anything in Yugoslavia and Hitler got cold feet and scuppered Operation Sea Lion.

I think a far more likely result would've been an uneasy peace or cold war. But as I said before, we'll never know.

What we DO know is that we entered the war and eventually helped put an end to the holocaust. Which is probably the high-point for us. It's a shame that the victorious powers ended up being total pricks to each other and to everyone else after the war.

But Adam.  Imagine what would have happened if we had not directly intervened in the Napoleonic wars.

We were hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned at the time, and Napoleon repeatedly announced that he planned on conquering to entire world.

Good god man, he'd already installed a cousin on the throne of Mexico.

And unlike that little German failure, Adolph, Emperor Bonaparte had actually succeeded in European dominance.  He was busy renaming things and administering state by the time the United States----dangerously over run with liberals who were pursuing a policy of free trade for all and non entanglement in European Wars--- decided on the massive military response to Napoleon.

After he defeated Europe, do you really think he would have wasted any time building an even vaster army in Mexico, sailing up through the Gulf, joining with the French descended rebels in Louisiana and completely over running the United States with an army of Continentals, Mexican, ans Cajun guerillas?

Our large scale entry into the wars and eventual bombing of Marseilles followed by the Occupation of Paris and the rebuilding of the nation state of Corsica is the only reason we are even having this conversation in English, my friend.

So please spare us all the crap about what "might" not happen wherever and whenever the US military gets involved in conflicts across the globe that might one day, no matter how far fetched--- result in a defensive war US Shores!

Remember the siege of Corsica!

I actually thought you were serious for a second. Very clever! 

[ChriswUfGator]

While we're at it, don't we have to arrest Tom Cruise, Jack Nicholson, and every other actor who plays military characters in uniform? I mean, I always thought A Few Good Men was just one of my favorite movies, I never realized it was really a crime scene.

[Timkin]

While we're at it, don't we have to arrest Tom Cruise, Jack Nicholson, and every other actor who plays military characters in uniform? I mean, I always thought A Few Good Men was just one of my favorite movies, I never realized it was really a crime scene.

    ^Good point!   Guess Tom Hanks is added to the list .

[finehoe]

Incidentally what the boy did wasn't illegal.

Do we know it was a boy?  I don't see any mention of gender in the news article.

[BrooklynSouth]

Fireman Richard Angelo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Angelo

Look, a hero in our own backyard!
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-06-25/story/jacksonville-firefighter-charged-raping-woman-downtown-alley

[Adam W]

While we're at it, don't we have to arrest Tom Cruise, Jack Nicholson, and every other actor who plays military characters in uniform? I mean, I always thought A Few Good Men was just one of my favorite movies, I never realized it was really a crime scene.

If embracing the Stolen Valor Law is what it takes to get Tom Cruise arrested, then sign me up!

[Debbie Thompson]

Wow.  Now that we have discussed the history of modern warfare, did we ever find out what really happened in the Old Navy store?

[ChriswUfGator]

Wow.  Now that we have discussed the history of modern warfare, did we ever find out what really happened in the Old Navy store?

Well I think that's rather the whole point, nobody really cares, except maybe the guy who got kicked out of old navy. The whole thing is so silly, much ado about nothing.

[Adam W]

I for one am glad most of the world at the time thought differently than you do now.  Enjoy your revisionism.

For the record, I never said the USA shouldn't have been involved in WWII. I said that American soldiers, etc had not been killed to protect our freedoms in at least 100 years. That ignited a debate about how our freedom would've been impacted had we not gotten involved - and the original comment and perspective kind of got lost.

But, even if we say that WWII was indeed a war to defend the freedom of Americans (which I don't necessarily agree with), I don't and cannot accept that WWI, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, both Gulf Wars and Afghanistan (and the myriad other conflicts and engagements US troops have been involved in) in any way a) protected our freedom and b) were motivated by the desire to protect American freedom.

That was my point.

[NavyRet]

Not to change the subject or anything, but it's raining like hell here.

[Timkin]

Not to change the subject or anything, but it's raining like hell here.

Its raining pitchforks and sawlogs here too Navy R

[NavyRet]

[TheCat]

Apparently this is the jacket.




https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3760767951155&set=p.3760767951155&type=1

This the caption that went with the photo:

Chris RyanStolen Valor

I would just like to say in regards to old navy removing the army veteran after he confronted the employee about the jacket he wore, Myself and a few of my fellow marines confronted the employee not even a week ago in Jacksonville, Fl while he was working. We refused to leave the store until the jacket was removed and explained the entire situation and blatant disrespect it showed. Now seeing that he put the jacket back on afterwords shows his complete lack of respect for our jobs, and our uniforms. This was a picture taken right before we confronted him last weekend.