Expanding Avondale Shops?

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I'm afraid that with everyone's ability to conveniently forget the facts, ending the moratorium will be harder than you think.  You know, with all these projects coming to life all of a sudden:  7-11, SJTC Developments, Brooklyn Park, even to some extent the Kickbacks expansion, the King St. explosion, MM expanding:  I believe too many people will put 2 & 2 together, even it's only 2 & ZERO.

[cline]

I'm afraid that with everyone's ability to conveniently forget the facts, ending the moratorium will be harder than you think.  You know, with all these projects coming to life all of a sudden:  7-11, SJTC Developments, Brooklyn Park, even to some extent the Kickbacks expansion, the King St. explosion, MM expanding:  I believe too many people will put 2 & 2 together, even it's only 2 & ZERO.

Unfortunately this is already happening.  People equate all this "development" on the Mobility Fee Moratorium which is why, in my opinion, it will never be put back in place.  Quite unfortunate.

[fieldafm]

I'm afraid that with everyone's ability to conveniently forget the facts, ending the moratorium will be harder than you think.  You know, with all these projects coming to life all of a sudden:  7-11, SJTC Developments, Brooklyn Park, even to some extent the Kickbacks expansion, the King St. explosion, MM expanding:  I believe too many people will put 2 & 2 together, even it's only 2 & ZERO.

Unfortunately this is already happening.  People equate all this "development" on the Mobility Fee Moratorium which is why, in my opinion, it will never be put back in place.  Quite unfortunate.

95% of that development was in the pipeline before the Moratorium.  It just simply is not true.  Market conditions, cheap land, housing trends(shifting to dense apartment complexes rather than single family home construction) and loosening of credit led to the construction around town.  You'll notice, the majority of new businesses are still infill projects within the in-town neighborhoods and the beach.

One day, when I won't get in trouble for doing so... I'll publish all the mobility fees lost out on. 

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I'm afraid that with everyone's ability to conveniently forget the facts, ending the moratorium will be harder than you think.  You know, with all these projects coming to life all of a sudden:  7-11, SJTC Developments, Brooklyn Park, even to some extent the Kickbacks expansion, the King St. explosion, MM expanding:  I believe too many people will put 2 & 2 together, even it's only 2 & ZERO.

Unfortunately this is already happening.  People equate all this "development" on the Mobility Fee Moratorium which is why, in my opinion, it will never be put back in place.  Quite unfortunate.

95% of that development was in the pipeline before the Moratorium.  It just simply is not true.  Market conditions, cheap land, housing trends(shifting to dense apartment complexes rather than single family home construction) and loosening of credit led to the construction around town.  You'll notice, the majority of new businesses are still infill projects within the in-town neighborhoods and the beach.

One day, when I won't get in trouble for doing so... I'll publish all the mobility fees lost out on.

Nobody's doubting that.  At least no one that reads this website regularly.  Perception is reality in most people's view, and don't think for an instant that the people pushing for the moratorium to begin with won't conveniently omit that fact.  You can already read the headline next year, I'll go ahead and quote it here for future posterity:

"End the Mobility Fee Moratorium?  You Better Thank Your Lucky Slurpees that it Doesn't Happen."

There will be no mention of all the already pending contracts.  There will be no mention of the incentives already in place.  There will be broad assumptions that this building would have never gotten off the ground if the Mobility Fee was still in place - that the moratorium alone was the reason for all of the 'new growth'.

[thelakelander]

Nobody's doubting that.  At least no one that reads this website regularly.  Perception is reality in most people's view, and don't think for an instant that the people pushing for the moratorium to begin with won't conveniently omit that fact.  You can already read the headline next year, I'll go ahead and quote it here for future posterity:

"End the Mobility Fee Moratorium?  You Better Thank Your Lucky Slurpees that it Doesn't Happen."

There will be no mention of all the already pending contracts.  There will be no mention of the incentives already in place.  There will be broad assumptions that this building would have never gotten off the ground if the Mobility Fee was still in place - that the moratorium alone was the reason for all of the 'new growth'.

This would mean that Jax's economy would have had to be better than other communities (ex. like St. Johns County) with impact fees still in place during the last year.  It would be fairly easy to compare.  The big question would be if anyone here would even care.

[JeffreyS]

I do not believe Jacksonville at large even knows about the Moratorium or the Mobility Fee for that matter. One of the reason's is that the Council rushed the process and eliminated the public meetings this type of legislation that should have been in the process.

This is a fight we can win the council does not want it's sellout of it's constituents exposed.  We have to ring the bell louder than we have been about this insider/ Good ol Boy gift on the community's tab.

[jcjohnpaint]

Nobody's doubting that.  At least no one that reads this website regularly.  Perception is reality in most people's view, and don't think for an instant that the people pushing for the moratorium to begin with won't conveniently omit that fact.  You can already read the headline next year, I'll go ahead and quote it here for future posterity:

"End the Mobility Fee Moratorium?  You Better Thank Your Lucky Slurpees that it Doesn't Happen."

There will be no mention of all the already pending contracts.  There will be no mention of the incentives already in place.  There will be broad assumptions that this building would have never gotten off the ground if the Mobility Fee was still in place - that the moratorium alone was the reason for all of the 'new growth'.

This would mean that Jax's economy would have had to be better than other communities (ex. like St. Johns County) with impact fees still in place during the last year.  It would be fairly easy to compare.  The big question would be if anyone here would even care.

Given how much crap people around here rant about paying taxes... I'm sure they will care!  If sold the right way!

[mtraininjax]

I'd love to see the shops add a couple of stories, but for apartments only. San Marco, Five Points and Edgewood in Murray Hill  ought to do the same thing.

I have a few properties in Murray Hill that I would gladly allow the State to take off my hands with an Overland Highway right down the center of the neighborhood.

For those who cannot stand growth and change, there are nice places in St. Johns County, I hear.