Jags vs. Texans Reactions

Started by Keith-N-Jax, October 30, 2011, 04:37:28 PM

Keith-N-Jax

Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:58:55 AM
Everyone on here knows Im the most passionate Jags fan out there. But right about now, I have stepped over to the dark side with Keith (LOL). No more time for excuses for anyone, this O-line sucks. I will not say this team sucks, because our defense brings their lunch to work every game. There is  a long list of reasons that are the way we are, and the number one item is the coaching and the list goes on. Unless there is a mid season miracle, this season is a wrap as of yesterday.




What do you mean Darkside. :) ??, Really I think the season was over when they cut DG IMO, I think we would have won the division, especially with this defense, but DG was hurt, so maybe not. It will be interesting to see what happens in the off season. I wonder what our finally record will be?

copperfiend

Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
Gabbert looks scared as hell. We have faced some monster defenses this year. He should not be out there, period! DG should have played this season, although the back issue would have caused him to go out anyways. I did not like DG as a QB, but it would have made since to play him this year. Given our schedule and Gabbert developmental needs, it would have been the right decison.

How can you play him with a bad back?

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 12:00:39 PM
Well I did mention offense(includes everybody) in my opening statement, but I will say all of the dropped catchable passes, some that were TDs is not helping the rookies confidence either. Not sure why these guys cant seem to catch all of a sudden. Its too bad DG couldn't have finished out this season. BG seems shell shocked now, hope he can improve. Really liking the defense this yr.

Say what you will about DG, but fact of the matter is, even if he was still on the team, he still wouldn't be playing.  There's a little thing like back surgery that would have prevented that from happening.

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Keith-N-Jax

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:51:03 AM

What blame - everything I've read here has the the fingers pointed at just about everyone else.

I fully understand that he's a rookie without the best OL in the game and sub par weapons around him... but the coddling here is just ludicrous.

see: 
QuoteAll in all, it's about what I expected, but I really have to agree that Gabbert seems to be regressing - he still throws a good ball, but when things break down (and they're breaking down quickly) he needs to diagnose the scenario better.  I think the announces said that he needs to use his checkdowns more, but I haven't seen it.  IMO, we need to keep him under center and run more slants and outs.  He can make those throws, they're quick outs so he shouldn't get hit as much and mix in the playaction for the deep ball.  Let Thomas use his 4.4 speed and get down the sideline.

I'm pointing fingers in all directions.  He's making rookie mistakes, but the team around him isn't really helping matters.






+++ 2 million ,, your right Lewis dropped 3 TDs that hit him right in the hands, Bengals, Saints, Ravens. I watched all three from section 103. Lewis couldn't catch a turtle with a broke leg right about now. :)

Keith-N-Jax

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 12:00:39 PM
Well I did mention offense(includes everybody) in my opening statement, but I will say all of the dropped catchable passes, some that were TDs is not helping the rookies confidence either. Not sure why these guys cant seem to catch all of a sudden. Its too bad DG couldn't have finished out this season. BG seems shell shocked now, hope he can improve. Really liking the defense this yr.

Say what you will about DG, but fact of the matter is, even if he was still on the team, he still wouldn't be playing.  There's a little thing like back surgery that would have prevented that from happening.




Yes I mentioned that in another post.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 12:11:04 PM
+++ 2 million ,, your right Lewis dropped 3 TDs that hit him right in the hands, Bengals, Saints, Ravens. I watched all three from section 103. Lewis couldn't catch a turtle with a broke leg right about now. :)

Not if it were thrown to him.....   ;D

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duvaldude08

Quote from: copperfiend on October 31, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
Gabbert looks scared as hell. We have faced some monster defenses this year. He should not be out there, period! DG should have played this season, although the back issue would have caused him to go out anyways. I did not like DG as a QB, but it would have made since to play him this year. Given our schedule and Gabbert developmental needs, it would have been the right decison.

How can you play him with a bad back?

Umm I did say that the back issue would have caused him to go out AKA not play??
Jaguars 2.0

Keith-N-Jax

On a positive note what a heck of a play by Sessions, Roth, Potroast, and Sessions again, gotta love it. Go D!!!

Shwaz

Quote from: copperfiend on October 31, 2011, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:42:33 AM
How far did Big Ben go in his rookie season?

Roethlisberger had Jerome Bettis/Willie Parker in the backfield his rookie year and had Hines Ward/Plaxico Burress/Antwan Randle-El to throw to. Not to mention he had probably the best offensive line in football blocking for him. Never has a rookie QB had a more ideal situation to step into.

I think we all know it's not the most weapon loaded team in the league... but we do have some. I'm not looking for Big Ben magic just maybe not dead last in every category for passing.
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copperfiend

Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:17:43 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on October 31, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
Gabbert looks scared as hell. We have faced some monster defenses this year. He should not be out there, period! DG should have played this season, although the back issue would have caused him to go out anyways. I did not like DG as a QB, but it would have made since to play him this year. Given our schedule and Gabbert developmental needs, it would have been the right decison.

How can you play him with a bad back?

Umm I did say that the back issue would have caused him to go out AKA not play??

Then what would have been the right decision you mentioned?

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 12:50:37 PM
I think we all know it's not the most weapon loaded team in the league... but we do have some. I'm not looking for Big Ben magic just maybe not dead last in every category for passing.

For the sake of argument:
No.               Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A
18 Manning 22    QB 16 16 3-13-0 326 575 56.7 3739 26 4.5 28 4.9 78 6.5 5.2 11.5 233.7 71.2 22 109 6.1 4.8


He also had an elite RB - Marshall Faulk, but he had something that Gabbert doesn't - one Marvin Harrison.
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duvaldude08

Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 12:43:06 PM
On a positive note what a heck of a play by Sessions, Roth, Potroast, and Sessions again, gotta love it. Go D!!!

Yess I went Banana's over that play! that really showed how improved our Big D is. I will say this much, this season has still been very entertaining. A few flashes of brilliance from Gabbert, our Big-D consistently putting on a  good show and that keeps me watching. There are some other teams out there whose games are not so entertaining. (aka the Colts and the Dolphins games have been COMPLETELY boring)
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duvaldude08

Quote from: copperfiend on October 31, 2011, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:17:43 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on October 31, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
Gabbert looks scared as hell. We have faced some monster defenses this year. He should not be out there, period! DG should have played this season, although the back issue would have caused him to go out anyways. I did not like DG as a QB, but it would have made since to play him this year. Given our schedule and Gabbert developmental needs, it would have been the right decison.

How can you play him with a bad back?

Umm I did say that the back issue would have caused him to go out AKA not play??

Then what would have been the right decision you mentioned?

If you would been the right decision GIVEN he didnt start having back issues. ( why am I explaining this?)
Jaguars 2.0

duvaldude08

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 12:50:37 PM
I think we all know it's not the most weapon loaded team in the league... but we do have some. I'm not looking for Big Ben magic just maybe not dead last in every category for passing.

For the sake of argument:
No.               Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A
18 Manning 22    QB 16 16 3-13-0 326 575 56.7 3739 26 4.5 28 4.9 78 6.5 5.2 11.5 233.7 71.2 22 109 6.1 4.8


He also had an elite RB - Marshall Faulk, but he had something that Gabbert doesn't - one Marvin Harrison.

I wish I could understand what that is saying. LMAO all those numbers and letters are hurting my eyes  :o
Jaguars 2.0

KenFSU

I largely agree with most of what you guys are saying, but I also think it's worth reinforcing the fact that this team has honestly kept some of these games closer than they had any right being, and is very much a work in progress. Three biggest problems are obviously 1) Coaching, 2) the offensive line, and 3) constant missed opportunities (repeated dropped balls by receivers, red zone futility, fumbles, constant burnt time outs due to miscommunication, the now-comical weekly penalty for too many players on the field, etc.

If this team could just find a way to tighten the strings a bit (which would almost have to necessitate a new head coach), a lot of these problems might be correctable.

I think BG has a ton of potential, I just hope he doesn't fall victim to the Kwayme Brown/Darko Milicic curse of too much pressure too soon permanently destroying a player's confidence.

On the bright side, he's still having a better season than Tim Tebow :D